Why does no one surrender any more?

[unmerged(245803)]

Is this resultant from the recent patch?

Not a single defeated nation has surrendered in my Germany campaign, including freaking Luxembourg.

Where the hell are these exile forces all hanging out now? Canada?

Any solutions to this crap?

 

[krieger11b]

Is this resultant from the recent patch?

Not a single defeated nation has surrendered in my Germany campaign, including freaking Luxembourg.

Where the hell are these exile forces all hanging out now? Canada?

Any solutions to this crap?

It's better they don't anyways. They are not really any harm as GiEs, and once they are annexed, you have partisan levels that cannot be dealt with, no matter how many police units in that province.

 

[Kaiser Bill]

I believe it is entirely random.

I recently had Turkey refuse to surrender, just this morning in fact, and then the game crashed. Reloading after the crash I was able to annex them...

 

[Ricox]

Save your game before a nation is supposed to surrender (every day at 0:00 it checks for surrender progress, if it's 100%, then the nation will either go in exile or surrender on 00:00) and if the result after day change doesn't statisfy, then reload the game, keep doing it until you get what you wanted. It's random, unless it's scripted surrender event like French surrender, Polish (after M-R pact) surrender, Bitter Peace etc.

 

[alex0809]

If by any chance you are playing DI:G note that there no country surrenders.

 

[unmerged(2979)]

Save your game before a nation is supposed to surrender (every day at 0:00 it checks for surrender progress, if it's 100%, then the nation will either go in exile or surrender on 00:00) and if the result after day change doesn't statisfy, then reload the game, keep doing it until you get what you wanted. It's random, unless it's scripted surrender event like French surrender, Polish (after M-R pact) surrender, Bitter Peace etc.

I confirmed this twice last night with invasions of Greece and Yugoslavia from Bulgaria. In fact I had practically the same thread yesterday. This would be a nice thing for the player to have at least some influence over in FOM. After all it's silly having to save and reload, which I would considering cheating other than the fact it's totally random.

 

[Darkrenown]

It's always been the same, aside from for nations with custom events, if they are in a faction they have a 50/50 chance of surrendering or forming a GiE. And no, the player should not have any control over this; No nation wanted the country they just conquored to form a GiE and continue to resist them, and no conquered nation was particuarly keen on rolling over and surrendering to their new overlords, they only difference was how lucky/how well prepared the fleeing government was.

 

[NikkTheTrick]

It's always been the same, aside from for nations with custom events, if they are in a faction they have a 50/50 chance of surrendering or forming a GiE. And no, the player should not have any control over this; No nation wanted the country they just conquored to form a GiE and continue to resist them, and no conquered nation was particuarly keen on rolling over and surrendering to their new overlords, they only difference was how lucky/how well prepared the fleeing government was.

Though with the current system, victor would rather have conquered nation go to GiE so that they can enjoy occupation policies that are far better than annexation

 

[unmerged(304296)]

As a slight tangent, it is an annoyance to me that as a victorious totalitarian leader I am forced to accept a "Bitter Peace" or the creation of Vichy France. I understand that the game as made links other effects to events like this but I don't like not having a choice on whether to accept the event or keep on fighting.

 

[Pro_Consul]

As a slight tangent, it is an annoyance to me that as a victorious totalitarian leader I am forced to accept a "Bitter Peace" or the creation of Vichy France. I understand that the game as made links other effects to events like this but I don't like not having a choice on whether to accept the event or keep on fighting.

I have to agree to finding this a bit annoying. Too often the conditions leading up to the surrender event make a mockery of the one-size-fits-all surrender conditions that the game imposes (Edit: actually I said that backwards). This is why some players have taken to commenting out the surrender events in the events files.

 

[unmerged(2979)]

As a slight tangent, it is an annoyance to me that as a victorious totalitarian leader I am forced to accept a "Bitter Peace" or the creation of Vichy France. I understand that the game as made links other effects to events like this but I don't like not having a choice on whether to accept the event or keep on fighting.

Which I believe is one of the things they are fixing in FtM if I remember correctly. You will have options other than Vichy.

 

[misterbean]

without Vichy, no Indochina/ Siam for Japan. makes reaching Malaya and Burma a lot harder.

 

[SuiciSpai]

Didnt try in the latest oficial patch( i know this was fixed for EU (or was V2?)), but if two or more countries have the same major event at the same time (Surrender in this case) it will fire only to the first country, and you need to reload the game to fire it again for the others countries.

 

[unmerged(314232)]

+1 i find this annoying as well. I'm playing Di:G right now and my main focus was to conquer the Suez canal. Vichy French was created, but most annoyingly Italy performed an upward pincer movement to cut of the maginot line, so you'll guess it: Non-Vichy French is Italian now: Blegh!
But, because the UK is bothering my troops in modern Israel and my troops wont't move to Port Sudan i decided to invade Saudia Arabia and Iraq, i don't want these countries so i'd like to puppet them, which is impossible now . I think i'll quit my session because it's just too unrealistic for me.
Oh one more thing: the UK declared war on me without me having made the 'Danzig or war' event-decision :S :S

 

[unmerged(304296)]

Is Japan in the Axis? If the Vichy event happens Japan will "Demand Indochine" and end up declaring war on the US and since you and Japan are both Axis.....

 

[unmerged(304296)]

Sorry, reread your post. Yes, the UK and France will declare war on Germany not only without the Danzig event but even without the Sudentenland event.

 

[Adam Weishaupt]

Sorry, reread your post. Yes, the UK and France will declare war on Germany not only without the Danzig event but even without the Sudentenland event.

Wow. How does that work? In response to the Rhineland? It should just happen at that point, then, not randomly some time later.

 

[Skaevola]

It's always been the same, aside from for nations with custom events, if they are in a faction they have a 50/50 chance of surrendering or forming a GiE. And no, the player should not have any control over this; No nation wanted the country they just conquored to form a GiE and continue to resist them, and no conquered nation was particuarly keen on rolling over and surrendering to their new overlords, they only difference was how lucky/how well prepared the fleeing government was.

perhaps tying it to national unity would make more sense than having it completely random?

 

[Darkrenown]

Which I believe is one of the things they are fixing in FtM if I remember correctly. You will have options other than Vichy.

If you don't want Vichy, just add the "Conquer" wargoal

 

[misterbean]

with all the additions in FtM, it is going to be a completely different game, in many ways. I'm 100% positive, but I just hope the AI will be able to use all the new stuff properly.