Why does Loyalty matter before Vassalization is done?

[A2ch0n]

Since 3.4.4 i encountered a strange phenomenon and i don't know for this is a bug or intended. If i want to Vassalize an empire there is now the loyalty modifier. Loyalty should only matter to determine the relation between my vassal and me and only after the vassal contract is already signed. Now it's always present instead for changing the contract.

So i ask, is this a fully fledged bug that this show up even before proposing vassalization or is this intended? If intended this is really annoying actually. Does anyone know something about this? Or can a dev explain this awkward behaviour?

 

[Snadasky]

i always understood it to be "how loyal we would be if we accepted it" like if its positive that means that they believe its actually a good deal and look at you as a genuine protector and if negative they view it as a protection racket but might accept any way because they are in no position to decline

and if there is loyalty gain even with negative starting loyalty its basically a projection that they will come to terms with their new position and see that it aint so bad after all despite their lost sovereignty.

 

[A2ch0n]

i always understood it to be "how loyal we would be if we accepted it"

That isn't the case. In fact it makes vassalization actually much more complicated because this is a negative modifier for acceptance.
So I think this is a bug. If we don't get any new information i'll write a bug report tomorrow.

 

[Snadasky]

That isn't the case. In fact it makes vassalization actually much more complicated because this is a negative modifier for acceptance.
So I think this is a bug. If we don't get any new information i'll write a bug report tomorrow.

I'll do some testing tonight as i was pretty sure that hasn't always been negative when i have done it

 

[fourteenfour]

the whole system needs a rework. I really had high hopes for the change in game play but what we got actually has me playing less.too much hard coding

 

[A2ch0n]

I'll do some testing tonight as i was pretty sure that hasn't always been negative when i have done it

I'm curious if you can confirm my observation!