Why does loading a late game save use 10gb of memory?
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It would be loading lots of things into memory. All the countries, all the pops, all the states, all the markets, all the wars/fronts/battles. That way they can be loaded quickly rather than being kept on disk, or regenerated every time you need them.
This sort of game with lots of calculations that can be cached to avoid redoing again and again is always likely to be very heavy on the memory use.
This sort of game with lots of calculations that can be cached to avoid redoing again and again is always likely to be very heavy on the memory use.
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So how does this look like for players who have more then 16GB of Ram? Maybe the 10GBs are also just capped from your Ram maximum.
Someone on reddit reported seeing Vic 3 use more than 25gb of ram in lategame...
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When I exited once I noticed it was at 20gb, but I usually don’t pay much attention to that. So it can definitely go higher.
My current high was an unmodded civ6 game that was using 96gb of memory. Luckily I still had some to spare!
Idle RAM is idle.
It's good to use fast available memory.
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The game hangs for like 5+ minutes trying to load a late game save because of this.
Idle ram is ram that can be used for something necessary. A software hogging ram just for the sake of it means that eventually your PC will just start using your drive for memory, which is not only slower, but reduces its lifespan, for no reason. This "unused ram is wasted ram" is probably the most damaging meme to ever spread in the software industry.
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Isn't this why we buy RAM? To use it? If you're playing the game, what else do you need it for?
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Remember that most players have either 8GB or 16GB. Only few % can afford 32 or 64 GB (source: Steam statistics for November).
8GB RAM is the official minimum requirement by PDX to play the game and 16 GB is recommended. Which in some way is a lie, because the game becomes unplayable in 1900s on these machines, especially 8GB RAM ones.
RAM usage by this game is just ridiculous, no other game works like this except maybe Microsoft Flight Simulator.
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I don't think it is about not affording the extra 16GB which can be acquired at about the same cost as Vic 3, but rather people being told for years that more than 16 GB of RAM isn't necessary.
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Who said that? I have had 32GB for years now, even for work as a software engineer!
Loading up a game is not "using RAM for the sake of it".
It's using RAM to have a better experience.
Do you drive, using only the first gear - just so you feel that you could always shift to the next one?
Why are CPU and RAM intense browsers so popular?
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Yes, they claim that it's to make things faster, but in practice it's the opposite. If I leave my browser open for several days, it hogs more and more ram, and at the same time it becomes increasingly slower. It's generally the same thing with games. It's just an excuse to avoid having to optimize things.
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"The internet". That doesn't mean it's true, but it does affect people's choices. Just google something along the lines of "how much ram do I need" and you'll get hits even from 2022 saying 32GB is kind of overkill for most people/games. Go back 3-4 years and that was an even more common view. Even today kingston and crucial recommends 32GB for "high end gaming systems"/"high performance gaming", which is not something most people spec their computers for, even if they spend plenty of time playing games.
I have also been using 32GB for about half a decade by now. I have never regretted the spending the extra money, but there is no denying that most of the time I would have been doing just fine with less.
When i bought a new PC today, a lot of people on tech forums kept telling me it was a waste of money to get more than 16gb of RAM and some got very upset when i said i wanted it to play Vic 3 and kept pushing me to get a high end GPU instead, saying things like "you will regret it when you want to play better games in the future".
16gb of RAM should be enough for most situations but not for games like this one that are just poorly optimized and eats RAM like candy. You know the Chrome eating RAM meme? Chrome has nothing on Vic 3....
16gb of RAM should be enough for most situations but not for games like this one that are just poorly optimized and eats RAM like candy. You know the Chrome eating RAM meme? Chrome has nothing on Vic 3....
I can attest to the discussion on 16GB beeing said as enough and 32GB beeing overkill. Literally told a friend of mine 10 days ago to go for 16GB, because there were no games that he plays that could benefit.
In general i dont think the games min requierment should be said as 8GB. Too low.
I might actually buy myself 2 more 8GB sticks....
In general i dont think the games min requierment should be said as 8GB. Too low.
I might actually buy myself 2 more 8GB sticks....