The di Medicis and the Grimaldis were great dynasties that were able to dominate their Republics. Trying to create a Republican or Bishopric dynasty would be a great challenge.
"Why do you want to play as republics and theocracies?"
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Having a playable pope is important for MP games as usually the Pope acts like a fool (who plays, it cool, by making his world, a li-til coal der heeeeeeeer!)
Mediaeval Republics are very dynastic... And republics have crusades too! The Pisan-Genoese expeditions to Sardinia are in fact crusades. Or more in timeline the Mahdia campaign. Venice was part of the Fourth Crusade. So... "Crusader" is right... Only the "kings" is not right... But... You play also dukes, counts, emperors, Kaiser, Basileus, Doux...
I'm pretty sure all my ancestors since the 1600s have been Muslim, and I couldn't give less of a damn about the media and their bullshit.
I define white to mean non-black hair, non-brown eyes, and the skin tone of about 16 or lower on Von Luschan's scale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Luschan_scale), though I'll admit that's just something I looked up now. Von Luschan himself defined 15 and lower to be white.
As for Ahmedinejad...http://scm-l3.technorati.com/10/07/27/15405/ahmadinejad1.jpg...do you see this man's nose? Eye color, hair color, skin color, facial structure?
How can he be seen as being white?
Not that I'm NOT being racist at all here, I'm pointing out that Kyoumen's description of "Jihad Sultans" as "white" is inaccurate.
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The Medici is a Renaissance dynasty, though. That's the point, anyway: if they make the Pope and the Republics playable, well, I -demand- a Renaissance starting scenario!
A Republic DLC maybe will be followod by improvements in the economicsystem of CK2, that I'd very much like.
That has nothing to do with being "white", i.e., Caucausian. Arabs and Persians are as white as Italians and Greeks. There is far more ethnic difference between Bantu and Khoisan than there is between a Frenchman and a Turk; that's simply factual. There isn't a big ethnic divide between "the majority population of Europe" and "the majority population of Middle East and North Africa"; they're all white. You used Ahmedinejad as an example (though he does look similar to many Eastern Europeans in facial structure), but take a look at Bashar Assad; nobody would look twice if his identical twin was a member of a noble family in Britain.
Republics: Play for the challenge of going from a prestigious senatorial family to an absolute monarch. Getting there would be very challenging indeed, as you'd have to persuade the public to accept a monarch through universal popularity/admiration. Intrigue would be ridiculously important. Also, I'd like to see peasant rebellions result in independent provinces with the republic form of government, where they overthrow their monarchs and bring power to the people.
Pagans: Unique governmental system; underdogs fighting against the heavyweight major religions. Plenty of opportunity for flavour here and a very different system to how Christians/Muslims work. Would be nice to see the start date rolled back in this DLC to before the christianisation of Scandinavia, so we get more of the early middle ages in (a period unexplored by Paradox). Would like to see a Norse focus, but obviously pagans do span a great deal of the map, so this may need to be a very large DLC with slightly different government types in.
Also, I think the discussion on race should now end as it's completely off topic.
Pagans: Unique governmental system; underdogs fighting against the heavyweight major religions. Plenty of opportunity for flavour here and a very different system to how Christians/Muslims work. Would be nice to see the start date rolled back in this DLC to before the christianisation of Scandinavia, so we get more of the early middle ages in (a period unexplored by Paradox). Would like to see a Norse focus, but obviously pagans do span a great deal of the map, so this may need to be a very large DLC with slightly different government types in.
Also, I think the discussion on race should now end as it's completely off topic.
I´m Southern Spanish. Black hair, brown eyes, and, according to that scale, something between 19 and 22... First time I hear I am supossed not to be white :S
Well there's your problem.
Sorry bro
Obviously it's not a bad thing, I was just pointing out that the "Jihad Sultans" mentioned earlier were not, in fact, white.
What you pointed out is the arbitrariness of racial definitions, as well as the complete lack of relevance.
I would love to be able to play as Venice, or perhaps an early Dutch Republic, or some form of the Hansen. However trade and naval mechanics are quite necessary for such a game, and with that added, and with much of the dynastic dynamics (claims, inheritance, pretenders, etc.) removed, the game would be very much like Europa Universalis. Which is not a bad thing. I mean, everybody knows the greatest paradox game would be something with the character system of CK, the scope of EU, the economy mechanics of Vicky and the combat mechanics of HOI.
I would love to be able to play as Venice, or perhaps an early Dutch Republic, or some form of the Hansen. However trade and naval mechanics are quite necessary for such a game, and with that added, and with much of the dynastic dynamics (claims, inheritance, pretenders, etc.) removed, the game would be very much like Europa Universalis. Which is not a bad thing. I mean, everybody knows the greatest paradox game would be something with the character system of CK, the scope of EU, the economy mechanics of Vicky and the combat mechanics of HOI.
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Playing the Pope could be rather interesting if excommunications, invasions, divorces and so forth affected moral authority based on the piety or traits of the target. The Pope will be forced to balance temporal gains and stratagems against the actual moral authority of the Church - excommunicate a saint too many times and nobody will ever pay attention to you again, but on the other hand, the King of France sure is offering a lot of money and land in exchange for that excommunication. Then again, refuse the King of England's demands for a divorce one time too many, and off he'll go to set up his own damn church. And while the Kaiser may be an incredibly impious son of a gun who indulges in all the deadly sins and impales people to boot, is it REALLY wise to excommunicate and piss off the Holy Roman Emperor? Decisions, decisions - and interesting ones, to boot.
To keep it sane, though, the player will probably want to be able to delegate at least county-level or below decisions to his bishops. Perhaps the whole point of setting up arch-bishoprics will be so that the arch-bishop can deal with the ducal-level religious decisions within a kingdom? All sorts of fun possibilities, anyhow.
To keep it sane, though, the player will probably want to be able to delegate at least county-level or below decisions to his bishops. Perhaps the whole point of setting up arch-bishoprics will be so that the arch-bishop can deal with the ducal-level religious decisions within a kingdom? All sorts of fun possibilities, anyhow.
The pope would be very interesting to play imo. There would be lots of oppertunity of interesting events decisions and intrigue. Where rival cardinal s with claims on the papacy can occur, they could gather allies in much the same way as the crusades or perhaps like an international faction. They would be anti-popes with out being immediate puppets of a large kingdom and whichever faction occupies st.peters would be able to install their own pope. It would be hard to model all the problems medieval popes had but it could definitely be made interesting.
Republics again could be fun too, although some were more prone to dynasticim than others. Venice and florence for example. Maybe there could be a new law scale instead of crown laws, defining how much of a hold your family has over the commune.
Republics again could be fun too, although some were more prone to dynasticim than others. Venice and florence for example. Maybe there could be a new law scale instead of crown laws, defining how much of a hold your family has over the commune.
I never wanted to play as a republic, I wanted to play as a dynasty inside a republic, taking it over and ruling it sometimes, but also losing power to other families. I want to describe my imagination of a playable republic, knowing, that it might be unrealistic and too much effort to integrate that in the game. My vision of this ever was a republic with different court positions, taken either by the most capable or the most prestigeous and one elected mayor, who could decide about war and peace etc. It would be very difficult to create a system of politics like it was fpr example in the venician repubic with thousands of members in a senate. I dont think, that would be appropriate for the game.
Instead, I would suggest the following. Perhaps around five mighty most pestigeous families in the republic (depending on their prestige) or simply families inhabiting a senate's seat or the most wealthy families, who can elect a major with only the head of the family being able to vote. The major doesnt have to be out of the five families. The most gifted out of these families would gain court positions and compare for the control of trading posts. All of these families are able to decide upon the mariages of their family members. Also, there should be the option in the plot screen to create a quasi-monachical system, where only one family rules the republic and decides about foreign political and internal actions. The plot to create this quasi-monarchical system should need the support of other mighty nobles within the republic.
As another option, you could take the republic and install such a system by simply conquering it with mercs. Creating such a system should lower opinion the other families have of you, so they can plot to go back to the old system.
Thats my vision of republics with an internal life. You may like it or not. I think, it would be near at the historical situation, but most likely too much effort to implement in the game.
Instead, I would suggest the following. Perhaps around five mighty most pestigeous families in the republic (depending on their prestige) or simply families inhabiting a senate's seat or the most wealthy families, who can elect a major with only the head of the family being able to vote. The major doesnt have to be out of the five families. The most gifted out of these families would gain court positions and compare for the control of trading posts. All of these families are able to decide upon the mariages of their family members. Also, there should be the option in the plot screen to create a quasi-monachical system, where only one family rules the republic and decides about foreign political and internal actions. The plot to create this quasi-monarchical system should need the support of other mighty nobles within the republic.
As another option, you could take the republic and install such a system by simply conquering it with mercs. Creating such a system should lower opinion the other families have of you, so they can plot to go back to the old system.
Thats my vision of republics with an internal life. You may like it or not. I think, it would be near at the historical situation, but most likely too much effort to implement in the game.
I'm afraid your definition of "white" couldn't be farther off, since the majority of "white" people actually have brown eyes, and many still even have black or near-black hair (ie: people of old Celtic descent have/had a large proportion of essentially black hair).
You'll notice I wrote (and you quoted me) "I define white to mean non-black hair, non-brown eyes, and the skin tone of about 16 or lower on Von Luschan's scale." I guess I meant OR instead of AND in my sentence above; any one of these three factors define a white person.
Have a feeling Paradox will be implementing the trade feature of EU4 to CKII if we do get a republics dlc. It just makes sense, plus a test run to see how it works out