"It makes no sense in a game called Crusader Kings!"
Paradox: *Aztec DLC lol*
Well played Paradox, well played.
Paradox: *Aztec DLC lol*
Well played Paradox, well played.
"Why do you want to play as republics and theocracies?"
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Because they had family dynamics and relationships too, and there were significant theocratic states and republics in the era that did interesting things and were led by interesting people. Of course, OP was a joke, but it's not like people don't seriously ask that (and "why play Muslims/Pagans?") all the time.
True, at least we now hold the trump-card in literally any discussion over the "Crusader Kings" name. As if that was ever applicable in the first place. Just like how you clearly can't play anyone but Britain in Victoria2.
Despite the name Crusader Kings, I also still think many of us like playing Jihad-calling-Sultans and Pagan-Roaring-Chieftains...
It gives us options, and nobody likes restrictions...
It gives us options, and nobody likes restrictions...
Crusader Kings is the name because it takes place during the Crusades and it's catchy. Also most of the people buying it are whities so Jihad Sultans wouldn't be as popular. I think we should be able to play as everyone, EVEN THE POPE! YAH!
Playing as the Pope would be incredibly cool, because he was the most important political actor in the Middle Ages. Kinda a pity that the game's mechanics can't represent it
I wouldn't say they can't. Its just an elective monarchy. If they can make republics and theocracies they can make the Pope. The real problem, apparently, is all the money the Pope gets, and that he is prompted with hundreds of events a month about everyone single catholic holding. The Pope is essentially the game's Monopoly Banker or Dungeons and Dragons DM (at least for Catholics).Playing as the Pope would be incredibly cool, because he was the most important political actor in the Middle Ages. Kinda a pity that the game's mechanics can't represent it
Not to mention that, in current mechanics, you could just excommunicate everyone and conquer half the world.
You might argue on the same note that it makes no sense playing as muslims, as they are not "Crusaders" or "Kings" (they are sultans). Yet the DLC is out.
Uh...I don't think you know what "white" means.
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And playing as a theocracy or republic, where succession is always elective and literally ANYBODY can be elected (I think this would result in Doges with very high diplomacy skills) isn't challenging?
I want Republics so we can get Essos in the Game of Thrones mod. Also, stop getting your hopes up, the Pope will never be playable, but it was stated all other Theocracies will.
The heritage found in many Middle Eastern countries (and Turkey) fall into the Caucasian race. The Iranian 'president' right now in modern times is both native to Iran and very aesthetically similar to Eastern Europeans.
Furthermore, the western media (specifically the United States) tends to draw a distinction between the two ethno-cultures by portraying non-Christian whites as something forgeign.
So I understand why you may be confused about this fact.
Personally I have no interest in playing as republics and theocracies and so I won't buy those DLCs, but I realize they're a very popular request and Paradox will almost certainly release them, assuming they can figure out a decent way to implement the mechanics.
I'd love a Pagan DLC focusing on the Norse and Wends, though.
I'd love a Pagan DLC focusing on the Norse and Wends, though.
Because a republic dlc would probably bring with it an economy/trade system and naval battles which would be great for mods.
A religious dlc would finaly make the ck2 gameplay of catholics complete, right now it's just a random guy becoming pope and not someone chosen by a college of cardenals.
A religious dlc would finaly make the ck2 gameplay of catholics complete, right now it's just a random guy becoming pope and not someone chosen by a college of cardenals.
The question about theocracies and republics is quite easily answered, I believe:
Theocracies are the driving force behind holy wars and crusades. The Pope was the one to call crusades and most holy wars were to satisfy the clergy. It has been the tradition that clergy has crowned kings for centuries, thereby making the crowning legitimate. To offend the clergy meant that your rule was not legitimized under god, which should game technically give relation-penalties.
As for city states/republics, then the Italian city states were very important. Not only did they provide ships for the noble crusaders, but also provided troops of their own. In particular Venice became noted for their involvement in the fourth crusade, where they were one of the main players in taking over Constantinoble.
Theocracies are the driving force behind holy wars and crusades. The Pope was the one to call crusades and most holy wars were to satisfy the clergy. It has been the tradition that clergy has crowned kings for centuries, thereby making the crowning legitimate. To offend the clergy meant that your rule was not legitimized under god, which should game technically give relation-penalties.
As for city states/republics, then the Italian city states were very important. Not only did they provide ships for the noble crusaders, but also provided troops of their own. In particular Venice became noted for their involvement in the fourth crusade, where they were one of the main players in taking over Constantinoble.
A playable pope in MP would be ideal. Sort of the 'game master', if you will. Unable to conquer by himself, but able to manipulate the realm. Either through stick (eg: excommunication, not granting divorce) or carrot (eg: cash, forgiving sins). Furthermore he could have his own aims, rather than building a dynasty he would have goals such as to extend Christianity (eg: Crusades, holy wars), while at the same time need to keep the balance of power and keep a high moral authority. Perhaps even force church investiture to keep the coffers full. Certain actions might be greyed out against nations that put him in power. The possibilities are endless... It would be a whole new game in itself and would drastically improve MP experience (perhaps even SP) me thinks. As long as you are not the warring type.