Why do vassals ask for military access that HARMS the overlord?

[durbal]

Just had a vassal Shirvan ask for military access through Hungary, Poland, and Lithuania and so the the Ottomans used their conditional access to bypass my mountain forts by going through Lithuania (Ottos couldn't get access because they are rivals). Made the war a lot harder.

Remove the ability for loyal vassals to ask for independent military access please thanks. They are diplomatic subjects.

 

[Jordedude1234]

An example if anyone is interested.

Here you can see me thinking Nogai would be stuck in their own country, but my vassal Mazandaran asked for access and ruined this.

Could @DDRJake enlighten us to the status of vassals getting military access, which ultimately ends up screwing over the player in some cases.

 

[deathbypie]

Because they aren't smart enough to understand that. I kinda wish we could just straight control vassal military access, rather than them make their own choices.

 

[durbal]

Because they aren't smart enough to understand that. I kinda wish we could just straight control vassal military access, rather than them make their own choices.

They don't need to be smart enough to understand anything. They need to be disallowed while loyal from asking for mil access entirely.

 

[El_Cid_]

This was fixed several patches ago wasn't it?

Very strange and annoying that it has reared its ugly head again.

 

[babuchas1]

Not only that, they should be disallowed from giving military access to countries you don't want to give military access. Because now you reject the military access petition from one country but your vassal gives them military access anyway.

 

[Adamgerd]

They don't need to be smart enough to understand anything. They need to be disallowed while loyal from asking for mil access entirely.

Yeah or maybe there could be a setting that they can only give military access to countries you're not at war with or which you are friendly with.

 

[Fanstar1]

Yeah or maybe there could be a setting that they can only give military access to countries you're not at war with or which you are friendly with.

or just simply don't give mil access unless disloyal

 

[qwertzuiop]

Yep, I think there are two problems combined: 1. Vassals being able to decide about military access independently and 2. war participants in general asking for military accesses that are not beneficial.

On the current patch version I avoid vassals if I can because of that and the bug that prevents you to transfer vassal-occupied provinces to yourself. I also had a situation where my vassal A did not join the war I inherited when vassalizing country B (even though it counts as a defensive war and I can call in all my allies. I know that they cannot join if I vassalize them while already being in the other war, but that was not the case here).

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Not only that, they should be disallowed from giving military access to countries you don't want to give military access. Because now you reject the military access petition from one country but your vassal gives them military access anyway.

You can make this happen (with DLC of course) by setting your nation's attitude to rival or hostile, subjects don't give those access.

The OP's problem remains, and I see no reason loyal subjects should ask for access independently (or that they should be considered differently from their overlord for diplomatic purposes). This isn't as broken as WYSP since you can scutage them but it still sucks.