why do unemployed robots result in crime?

[Cat_Fuzz]

In my own headcanon, crime comes from population theft and / or reprogramming from unused robots / droids that are used from terror plots to simply dicking about with stolen technology

 

[SirL]

In a gestalt ME that's understandable, cuz they don't have crime, they have deviancy (which is basically the same thing), but I will agree that there should not be any crime for basic robots. Maybe you should get crime starting with droids

 

[nuyu]

If that robots are not sentient, they are same like cars that we used to drive. Unused cars don't commit crimes.
That is my logic, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Incompetent]

A similar issue happens with nerve-stapled pops:

If you nerve-staple Specialist/Ruler pops, they become incapable of doing those jobs, but still take time to demote, meaning a period of unavoidable unemployment. This unemployment still causes crime events. Why don't they demote instantly, like drones? It's not as if nerve-stapled pops have an ego that tells them 'worker jobs are beneath your dignity'.

 

[Mastikator]

Even a robot has to eat (sort of). They are not going to get recharged for free.

THANK YOU exactly. My car always goes off and does crime when I put it in the garage for too long. At least that is what I'll tell the judge.

 

[Nin6]

real talk here, you can have a planet with 10 unemployed, all robot pops, and start getting unemployment and crime related events.

Why do robots care? How do mindless drones do crime? They don't have feelings! No moral compass! They have one purpose: GET BACK ON THE GALACTIC MARKET AND MAKE ME MONEY.

I dont beleive its crime, its deviancy as in the level of maintenance provided. If it gets too low the robots start malfunctioning.

 

[Chthon]

Without gainful employment your robots are vulnerable, they fall in with a bad crowd, and before you know it the only place where they can find purpose are street gangs and organized crimes. I've seen it before and it isn't pretty.

Spoiler

Gestalts don't get unemployment. They have a 'scavenger' job with very poor returns that populations will do automatically if no other work.

Johnny 5 was a deviant from the start.

 

[Dalwin]

THANK YOU exactly. My car always goes off and does crime when I put it in the garage for too long. At least that is what I'll tell the judge.

But your car is not a sentient citizen of your household.

Those thinking that robots should not produce crime are taking a conveniently limited view of what a robot is. As long as they are citizens and not merely tools then their ability to perform complex tasks brings with it the ability to misbehave.

EDIT: This thread reminds me of the episode of STNG where there is a hearing to determine whether being mechanical means that Data has no rights as a sentient being. Star Fleet was trying to order him to some test facility to be studied and he did not want to go.

 

[Secret Master]

EDIT: This thread reminds me of the episode of STNG where there is a hearing to determine whether being mechanical means that Data has no rights as a sentient being. Star Fleet was trying to order him to some test facility to be studied and he did not want to go.

That was a good episode.

In fairness to to ST:TNG, Data was a sentient robot. When my non-sentient toaster ovens are causing crime, we might need to write some better Lore for the game.

 

[Dalwin]

That was a good episode.

In fairness to to ST:TNG, Data was a sentient robot. When my non-sentient toaster ovens are causing crime, we might need to write some better Lore for the game.

That is just it, they are not non-sentient. The mechanical arms at the Ford auto assembly plant are non-sentient robots. Those mechanical arms cannot do crime, they also do not require any housing, not even 0.5. They don't require amenities either. Even the simple farming bots in this game are sentient with a degree of self determination. They may not be, however, sentient enough to be decent poets.

 

[Secret Master]

That is just it, they are not non-sentient. The mechanical arms at the Ford auto assembly plant are non-sentient robots. Those mechanical arms cannot do crime, they also do not require any housing, not even 0.5. They don't require amenities either. Even the simple farming bots in this game are sentient with a degree of self determination. They may not be, however, sentient enough to be decent poets.

So, you're going to let my pun about Lore go? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Just for that, you get a clip showing crime generated by robots (of the sentient variety in this case):

 

[Dalwin]

So, you're going to let my pun about Lore go? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Just for that, you get a clip showing crime generated by robots (of the sentient variety in this case):

I am surprised that you did not go to Bender for your criminal robot example.

 

[IIWBIIMars]

But your car is not a sentient citizen of your household.

Those thinking that robots should not produce crime are taking a conveniently limited view of what a robot is. As long as they are citizens and not merely tools then their ability to perform complex tasks brings with it the ability to misbehave.

EDIT: This thread reminds me of the episode of STNG where there is a hearing to determine whether being mechanical means that Data has no rights as a sentient being. Star Fleet was trying to order him to some test facility to be studied and he did not want to go.

Robots are neither citizens nor sentient, they are tools.

That´s why Stellaris differentiates between robots, androids and synths.

Data is not a robot, he´s a sentient android (in Star Trek).

In Stellaris he would be a Synth as Synths are the only sentient mechanical units according to Stellaris tech tree.

edit: Ok, let´s downvote each other, I can do that, too. No problem.

 

[Dalwin]

Robots are neither citizens nor sentient, they are tools.

That´s why Stellaris differentiates between robots, androids and synths.

Data is not a robot, he´s a sentient android (in Star Trek).

In Stellaris he would be a Synth as Synths are the only sentient mechanical units according to Stellaris tech tree.

If they are not citizens, albeit 2nd class, then why do they require housing and amenities? Why do they contribute their opinions to factions (even if their opinion carries less weight)? They obviously are sentient. They are not simple tools. That is clear in every aspect of the game design. The fact that they are less complex than more advanced models or than some biological does not change the fact. Less does not equate to zero.

I don't care about the old hierarchy of robot/droid/synth from 2.1 and earlier. That is the past and no longer directly applies.

 

[Riftwalker]

If that robots are not sentient, they are same like cars that we used to drive. Unused cars don't commit crimes.
That is my logic, correct me if I'm wrong.

sure, but people will find ways to make use of the unexploited robots.

i'm not too inconvenience to find a simple explanation, but that's generally how i do things, i just work things that happen into the narrative, rather than get annoyed by them.

 

[spyker92]

THANK YOU exactly. My car always goes off and does crime when I put it in the garage for too long. At least that is what I'll tell the judge.

If it gets me out of any speeding tickets

I dont beleive its crime, its deviancy as in the level of maintenance provided. If it gets too low the robots start malfunctioning.

Basic robots and droids do not have free will, they are programmed to perform a job function. Just because the DROIDS are unemployed does not mean the EMPLOYED biological population will cause them to cause deviancy. There is no logical argument for that, and its a heavy handed nerf to already weak droid nations, especially ones who ARN'T evolving into synths and who are perfectly comfortable robo modding their billions of robots to do all the worker jobs, selling excess robots on the galactic market
They have no concept of society as large and would logically be placed into storage.

The game should differentiate between not sentient and sentient robots, droids and basic worker pops should be placed as "inactive" and not cause the negative effects related to unemployment and crime. Period. Surplus droids, if anything, is a market surplus due to insufficient demand.

 

[Kirinir]

 

[EvilTom]

Maybe unemployed robots should get lower energy requirements and housing requirements simulating they've been boxed. Unless you change their living standards to something like "scavenger bots" where they are more akin to the unemployed gestalts.

Turned off robots on their own should not create crime.

I can imagine planets with criminal gangs getting robots and droids and making them a part of the criminal scheme. This could lead to some fun stuff. I'm thinking kind of like in Chappy or Short Circuit. It wasn't the robot or droids's fault. If it's off it should have no crime, but they could get stolen, but again that's not the droids fault.

 

[Nin6]

The worst part about robots is maintenance drones not producing resources. 0.5 energy would be plenty. Compared to organic who can just put two pops in a entertainer role. Compared to Clerks who generate trade and amenities.

 

[Mastikator]

But your car is not a sentient citizen of your household.

Those thinking that robots should not produce crime are taking a conveniently limited view of what a robot is. As long as they are citizens and not merely tools then their ability to perform complex tasks brings with it the ability to misbehave.

EDIT: This thread reminds me of the episode of STNG where there is a hearing to determine whether being mechanical means that Data has no rights as a sentient being. Star Fleet was trying to order him to some test facility to be studied and he did not want to go.

Only synths are sentient. Even then those synths can be turned off if they don't have full citizenship rights. TBH unemployed robots that aren't free citizens should not use energy.