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I though that this issue was fixed, Crusades had a decent chance of winning finally and all of a sudden its back to the same old Crusaders always getting spanked routine.


Is this happening to everyone else?

Does anyone know why it changed?

FIX IT PI PLEASE
 

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Its just your 1 particular game. The last 3 games I've played every Crusade won. Games before that it was split. Anything can happen.
 

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Well, in my current game crusades regularly fail though the AI is better organized so I guess it has been improved and I just have some bad luck because I have a large Muslim blob down there. But at least I am fine with that, this way I can conzentrate on Europe, build my nation and then holy war them into the ground without the problem of pesky christian down there.^^ Duno why the pope does not like the Idea of a christian empire that dominates the world. xD
 

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Bad luck? The couple of games I played Crusaders usually win (at least the crusade) and muslim crusades fail... in the latest game the AI has managed to grap almost all Africa despite my efforts to stall them (as Aragon) :(
 

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I have the same problem on Iberia. Pesky Englishmen, Scots, even some Irish guys are playing there with those damned Jiménez dudes I hoped would extinct...
Now I have to claim their ass out of MY country...^^
 

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I usually see Crusades succeed, unless they're on the Fatimids. Fatimid Caliph is beloved by all his vassals and has reigned for a couple decades, and is currently at peace? Meanwhile in Europe, the HRE is imploding with civil wars and England and France are at each other's throats? Yup, that's when the Pope will call a Crusade for Jerusalem. Cause nothin' will scare the Caliph more than the arrival of the Duchy of Leinster on his shores.
 

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I usually see Crusades succeed, unless they're on the Fatimids. Fatimid Caliph is beloved by all his vassals and has reigned for a couple decades, and is currently at peace? Meanwhile in Europe, the HRE is imploding with civil wars and England and France are at each other's throats? Yup, that's when the Pope will call a Crusade for Jerusalem. Cause nothin' will scare the Caliph more than the arrival of the Duchy of Leinster on his shores.

My crusades rarely seem to involve the biggest players, especially the HRE even when they are at peace. The king of poland loves crusading though.
 

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Depends on your luck. If a civil war is still in progress on one or two of the big boys, you're not going to win. If the crusade happens during the first 20 years, you're not going to win.

I still remember getting 99% contribution on one of my crusade because I abused the *&%^ out of bait and reinforce through transports and killed about 100k muslims. After that point, I just sent my armies back and let the rest of Europe do all the sieges :happy: Too bad the game decided to give me Baghdad without the provinces in between those and Jerusalem.
 

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My crusades rarely seem to involve the biggest players, especially the HRE even when they are at peace. The king of poland loves crusading though.

Which I'm mostly cool with... since if the HRE or France joined every Crusade, they'd also win every Crusade, and they blob enough as it is. Maybe if the mechanics were changed and it'd create an independent Crusader state of the winner's dynasty if they're a king or above.

Even having a medium kingdom like Sweden or Poland help out can be huge, though. I've definitely seen successful Crusades against the Fatimids where we didn't have the support of one of the bigger powers, and typically it was due to a combination of the Pope not being a complete tard with the timing and hitting the Fatimids when they weren't at full strength and some of the participants not being completely worthless in terms of manpower. Heck, in one game Venice of all places won Jerusalem (thus creating The Most Serene Republic of Jerusalem... yeah, "serene"...), thanks to their massive merc stacks.


All boils back down to blobbing, though. Crusades are difficult simply because the Fatimids are disgusting in their ability to do so (though they SHOULD be hard, Crusades should never be easy), and often times the succeed simply because a Catholic power just as disgusting in blobbing ability actually lended a hand, and thus blobbed a little more.
 

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I've had lots of Crusades being lost, then Jihads being won, and counter-Crusades being declared.
I'll have to agree with gornard, though: the king of Poland sure does love crusading.
 

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For added help against the Fatmids (or, even if rarely, a Seljuk Jerusalem), try assassinating the guy if they've been ruling for a while. I find it sort of helps, especially if you can get a minor or someone so horrifically inept at ruling to become sultan.
 

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Because Pope AI is incompetent.
Crusades should be called when enemy is divided and/or knee-deep in a civil war. And only when enough catholic states are able to participate. How can a crusade be victorious when it is called on rock-solid Fatimids, at exact moment when HRE, France and England have succession crysis?
 

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I've had lots of Crusades being lost, then Jihads being won, and counter-Crusades being declared.
I'll have to agree with gornard, though: the king of Poland sure does love crusading.

Also its not a real crusade unless an irish lord joins in. I've never seen them win it unfortunantly.