Why Do People Use Patronage Of The Arts?

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Why use this privilege and aren't you taking a huge mega loss of income for no real benefit? Am I missing something? And if yes, what am I missing?
 

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Patronage of the arts is a very useful privilege in my opinion. It comes at the cost of 5% tax, which is pretty negligible. Tax is the income that scales the least, and a 5% hit isn't the end of the world.
The main use of it is the instant prestige upon granting the privilege. With this, you can grant the privilege, revoke it, and grant it again as needed until out of a prestige hole. Very useful early on for disinheriting heirs without other ways to manage prestige. Prestige gives army morale, so it can also give that little extra boost. I've also found that the 5% opinion with 5% influence makes it a privilege that isn't difficult to revoke come absolutism, but can help hit the trending loyalty breakpoints (45, 60).

It's a good prestige bomb without much of a cost.
 
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Even if it is not abused, it gives a very good boost if your initial prestige is near zero, or if you got negative prestige because of e.g. converting to protestantism.
 
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It's also really usefull if you need to get rid of an heir day one, if your prestige is negative you get +30 instead of the normal +15 !
It's a scaling bonus, from the wiki:

  • Over 50: +10 Prestige
  • 0 to 50: +15 Prestige
  • −25 to 0: +20 Prestige
  • −50 to −25: +25 Prestige
  • Under −50: +30 Prestige
 
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Because if I'm playing Karaman I want to be able to disinherit my awful heir and not be at -50 prestige
Formed Mali Empire in two separate games, both on Ironman and disinherited my heir both times on day 1. The -50 prestige wasn't that awful for all that long. I'm not saying it didn't make things harder, I'm just saying that the game wasn't unplayable on day 2 because of -50 prestige.
 
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Formed Mali Empire in two separate games, both on Ironman and disinherited my heir both times on day 1. The -50 prestige wasn't that awful for all that long. I'm not saying it didn't make things harder, I'm just saying that the game wasn't unplayable on day 2 because of -50 prestige.
Don't think anyone's saying it's unplayable, but -5% morale when you have basically no other combat modifiers yet means you're fighting at a disadvantage
 
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Q: "Why is this in the game?"
A: "For metagaming abuse."

Ah, EU4. EU4 never changes.

Speaking of which, seems like an oversight that a privilege that gives an instant benefit can be immediately revoked and given again until satisfaction. I try to imagine a ruler doing this over the course of a day and all I can see is a plot forming to depose his schizophrenic butt.
 
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Q: "Why is this in the game?"
A: "For metagaming abuse."

Ah, EU4. EU4 never changes.

Speaking of which, seems like an oversight that a privilege that gives an instant benefit can be immediately revoked and given again until satisfaction. I try to imagine a ruler doing this over the course of a day and all I can see is a plot forming to depose his schizophrenic butt.
Could be an oversight indeed, but for practical reasons I don't think this "abuse" is very dramatic, you lose 20 loyalty everytime you do it, under normal circumstances you can only do this once, as then you don't have more loyalty than influence anymore, you will also likely face the negative loyalty penalties and if you seize estate lands also rebels.
 
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