Why? They can't even fight off a blind 98 year old....We need the Varangian Guard and we need it now!
Why do only Ottomans Get Elite Infantry
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We also need Praetorians for the Restored Roman Empire tag, and the Gond-I-Shahanshah for Persia.
You can easily see how many more casualties the Ottomans take than the Venetians!...
If you count attrition ticks as casualties.
How many times did the Venetians meet the Ottomans in an open field?
Whats more: Saying Venice is underrepresented therefore the Ottomans have to be too is absurd.
If you count attrition ticks as casualties.
How many times did the Venetians meet the Ottomans in an open field?
Whats more: Saying Venice is underrepresented therefore the Ottomans have to be too is absurd.
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Too late....
There are a few times Venetians Met Ottomans on a Field, most notably in the first Morean war and Corfu in 1716 where Venetian Armies of 7000 and 5000 beat off Ottoman Armies of just over 30,000 both times. There are also numerous other engagements but mostly skirmishes. The best examples between troops are drawn up on naval boarding action on the major clashes, although something that gives a clear disparity between Venetian and Ottoman troops is the last stand of Tomasso Morrosini, who early on in the Cretan war got separated from the rest of the Venetian fleet and ended up being forced to engage the entire Ottoman fleet with a single galley, The Admiral and his crew single handedly killed about half the Ottoman fleets Janissary attachment, a substantial number of regulars and their Grand Admiral Koca Musa Pasha, the Ottoman fleet was so severely shocked and demoralised by this event they refused to do battle for two years afterwards.
I'm not suggesting that Venetians are underrepresented so the ottomans should be too at all, I'm just asking where is the rest of the worlds professional infantry?
Because the best way to represent the Ottoman army is a bunch of weak levies and super strong janissaries?
But Janissaries aren't super strong, they are basically the same ability as typical professional infantry. A number huge of armies are made up of lightly armed and trained mass troops, supported by professional and potentially elite units in the same fashion. While there are elite Janissary units within the corps the vast majority are just professionals and shouldn't really receive the damage reduction bonus....
It just seems a bit of a cop out of making more diverse composition choices as a whole.
And any army with 5% discipline 10% infantry combat NIs has Janissaries.
Kongo is 5% infantry combat off having janissaries. Vijianagara? Janissaries. Prussia? Super duper extra buttercup janissaries.
Kongo is 5% infantry combat off having janissaries. Vijianagara? Janissaries. Prussia? Super duper extra buttercup janissaries.
You are missing the point entirely....
Why does one nation get to recruit mystery elite infantry when other nations don't?
Why not overhaul the whole combat system into something more deep than the awkward rubbish we have now?
Why focus on the Janissaries, when they weren't anything particularly special in combat? They were interesting in the way they were recruited though. from you example, why not give Prussia Jaegers?
It seems a bit weird to trickle out some meh mechanics in a part of the game that feels stale and shallow. Combat, Navies and Colonisation are still some of worst mechanics in a game that centres mainly around those things.
Why does one nation get to recruit mystery elite infantry when other nations don't?
Why not overhaul the whole combat system into something more deep than the awkward rubbish we have now?
Why focus on the Janissaries, when they weren't anything particularly special in combat? They were interesting in the way they were recruited though. from you example, why not give Prussia Jaegers?
It seems a bit weird to trickle out some meh mechanics in a part of the game that feels stale and shallow. Combat, Navies and Colonisation are still some of worst mechanics in a game that centres mainly around those things.
Because the devs are under the impression that the only reason the Ottomans just take over the whole world was because they were too tolerant to do so.
guys... this situation presents janisarry disaster better so... maybe we should accept this blessing
Wasn't this topic posted already in response to Third Rome? Except maybe it said Russia instead of Ottomans. hmm maybe it wasn't the same topic. Either way same thing as I said last time: just give it time. I'm sure after a few DLCs they won't be the only country with an elite unit.
Part of the reason for coding the special unit stuff was so that they could have special units. It's a flavorful addition that can bring a lot to the game. I like it. As long as stuff remains balanced and the AI knows how to use it I'm cool.
To be honest, Janisarries deserve to suck.
To be honest, Janisarries deserve to suck.
Old Guard would be awesome for France, though I would argue that a more suitable unique for the German minors would possibly be Jaegers. Landsknecht would be cool though
The Hussites are famous mercenaries as are the Swiss Guard. Actually now that I think about it there's lots of famous German/Italian units. In fact I can think of one unit that literally never lost and was paid to not to go to war.
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I think current mercs for europe (other than ottoman) are them... since they are mercs instead of using them moreselves they gonna use them for others more. so... no reason to make someting elite while everyone using literally same unit?
I dont think ever that austria will call some other people when ottoman or france attack empire as merc
maybe make mercs in austria more expensive if swits hate you? Thats all I can suggest XD
Except condottieri were basically over by 1500 so it's not exactly a long time thingA cool famous Italian unit would be condottieri