Why do my British Monarchs Adapt Roman Names?

[SacremPyrobolum]

I have noticed that many of my monarchs and my characters (generals, admirals, etc,etc) seem to have names like Octavius with increasing frequency. I have also had two monarchs in a row that with Augustus as their middle name. I haven't had a dynasty change ever from the beginning. What gives?

 

[LWE]

One of George III's sons was called Octavius, and two others were called Ernest Augustus (the one who inherited Hannover from William IV) and Augustus Frederick. The country monarch names are just taken from all kings and princes of that country ever in the historical timeline, and the general names partially too, it seems.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Here you have every monarch name England can have:

monarch_names = {
	"Henry #3" = 100
	"Edward #3" = 60
	"Charles #0" = 40
	"James #0" = 40
	"William #2" = 20
	"Richard #2" = 20
	"Mary #0" = -20
	"Philip #0" = 20
	"Henry #3 Frederick" = 10
	"Anne #0" = -10
	"Arthur #0" = 10
	"Charles #0 James" = 10
	"Edgar #0" = 10
	"Elizabeth #0" = -10
	"Jane #0" = -10
	"Thomas #0" = 10
	"Edmund #0" = 5
	"George #0" = 5
	"Margaret #0" = -1
	"John #1" = 1
	"Jacob #0" = 0
	"Humphrey #0" = 0
	"Robert #0" = 0
	"Stephen #1" = 1
	"Adam #0" = 0
	"Alexander #0" = 0
	"Albert #0" = 0
	"Alfred #0" = 0
	"Ambrose #0" = 0
	"Andrew #0" = 0
	"Anthony #0" = 0
	"Archibald #0" = 0
	"Benjamin #0" = 0
	"Christopher #0" = 0
	"Daniel #0" = 0
	"David #0" = 0
	"Ernest #0" = 0
	"Francis #0" = 0
	"Geoffrey #0" = 0
	"Guy #0" = 0
	"Horatio #0" = 0
	"Hugh #0" = 0
	"Isaac #0" = 0
	"Jeremy #0" = 0
	"Jonathan #0" = 0
	"Joseph #0" = 0
	"Lawrence #0" = 0
	"Matthew #0" = 0
	"Nehemiah #0" = 0
	"Oliver #0" = 0
	"Samuel #0" = 0
	"Sydney #0" = 0
}

And every monarch name Great Britain can have:

monarch_names = {
	"George #0" = 60
	"Anne #0" = -15
	"Frederick #0" = 15
	"Edward #5" = 10
	"William #3" = 10
	"William #3 Henry" = 10
	"Alfred #1" = 10
	"Adolphus #0" = 10
	"Augustus #0" = 10
	"Ernest #0 Augustus" = 10
	"Frederick #0 Augustus" = 10
	"Frederick #0 William" = 10
	"George #0 William" = 10
	"Maximilian #0" = 10
	"Octavius #0" = 10
	"Henry #8" = 5
	"Richard #3" = 5
	"Charles #2" = 5
	"James #2" = 5
	"Margaret #0" = -5
	"Adam #0" = 0
	"Alexander #0" = 0
	"Ambrose #0" = 0
	"Andrew #0" = 0
	"Anthony #0" = 0
	"Archibald #0" = 0
	"Arthur #0" = 0
	"Benjamin #0" = 0
	"Christian #0" = 0
	"Christopher #0" = 0
	"Daniel #0" = 0
	"David #0" = 0
	"Edgar #0" = 0
	"Francis #0" = 0
	"Geoffrey #0" = 0
	"Guy #0" = 0
	"Horatio #0" = 0
	"Hugh #0" = 0
	"Isaac #0" = 0
	"Jacob #0" = 0
	"Jeremy #0" = 0
	"Jonathan #0" = 0
	"John #0" = 0
	"Joseph #0" = 0
	"Lawrence #0" = 0
	"Matthew #0" = 0
	"Nehemiah #0" = 0
	"Oliver #0" = 0
	"Samuel #0" = 0
	"Sydney #0" = 0
	"Thomas #0" = 0
	"Winston #0" = 0
}

As you can see both Augustus and Octavius has a decent chance of happening.
Heck as seen you can even get an Adolf.

 

[War_lord]

Nehmiah? That's an odd one.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Nehmiah? That's an odd one.

Indeed. Though it is at 0 so as far as I have understood it will never actually show up.

 

[War_lord]

Maybe the 0 names show up for Republics?

 

[Wagonlitz]

Maybe the 0 names show up for Republics?

Possibly. Though I don't think so since as far as I am aware the numbers are the (relative) chance of a name turning up---negative numbers always being female and positive always being male. If I am correct then 0 will never show up, since there will be 0 chance of it.

 

[mate0815]

0 chance is for filling up the namepool. these names are only blocked for monarchs, but can and will be used for advisors/generals/admirals.

 

[grommile]

Zeroes show up for leaders, advisors, and non-monarchic rulers, and there was a fashion for Old Testament names in certain English-speaking circles in the later half of EU4's period.

 

[Wagonlitz]

0 chance is for filling up the namepool. these names are only blocked for monarchs, but can and will be used for advisors/generals/admirals.

Advisors makes sense (I guess envoys use them too), but why leaders? Because there is a separate block with leader names; the British one being this:

leader_names = {
	Albemarle Amherst Anson
	Buckingham Braddock Byron Burgoyne Beresford Brock Benbow Blake Bedford Boscawen Baffin Button
	Clarence "de Clifford" Cromwell Cumberland Clinton Cornwallis Clive Cabot Carleton Cavendish Cook Churchill
	Dampier Davis Drake
	Essex
	Fairfax Frobisher
	Gloucester Gilbert
	Howe Howard Herbert Hawke Hood Hastings Hudson
	Leicester
	Middleton Moore
	Northumberland Norfolk
	Procter
	Rooke Rodney Raleigh
	Salisbury Somerset Suffolk Saunders Smith
	Talbot Tarleton
	Uxbridge
	Warwick Wolfe
	York
}

 

[mate0815]

Advisors makes sense (I guess envoys use them too), but why leaders? Because there is a separate block with leader names; the British one being this:

leader_names = {
    Albemarle Amherst Anson
    Buckingham Braddock Byron Burgoyne Beresford Brock Benbow Blake Bedford Boscawen Baffin Button
    Clarence "de Clifford" Cromwell Cumberland Clinton Cornwallis Clive Cabot Carleton Cavendish Cook Churchill
    Dampier Davis Drake
    Essex
    Fairfax Frobisher
    Gloucester Gilbert
    Howe Howard Herbert Hawke Hood Hastings Hudson
    Leicester
    Middleton Moore
    Northumberland Norfolk
    Procter
    Rooke Rodney Raleigh
    Salisbury Somerset Suffolk Saunders Smith
    Talbot Tarleton
    Uxbridge
    Warwick Wolfe
    York
}

leadernames are for surnames, the monarchblock for first names.

 

[Kaiser Franz II]

I think it is ridiculous these names! Ugh! If I could only get all moanrchs to be 100% accurate with history! For example, England, the ONLY names allowed should be: William, Edward, Richard, Henry, James, Mary, Elizabeth, George, or maybe one or two I may have missed, but no! No Humphrey! No Thomas! No Augustus Ronald! Please!

 

[CrabHelmet]

I think it is ridiculous these names! Ugh! If I could only get all moanrchs to be 100% accurate with history! For example, England, the ONLY names allowed should be: William, Edward, Richard, Henry, James, Mary, Elizabeth, George, or maybe one or two I may have missed, but no! No Humphrey! No Thomas! No Augustus Ronald! Please!

What about Alphonso?

 

[Kaiser Franz II]

What about Alphonso?

Ugh! No please no!

 

[Trin Tragula]

Advisors makes sense (I guess envoys use them too), but why leaders? Because there is a separate block with leader names

Agents, generals and republican rulers are monarch name (first name) + leader name (last name).
You can end up with one of these on your throne though as i believe pretenders get their name this way (didnt check though), while "an important noble" successor as well as newly created states will use the culture dynasty list.

 

[grommile]

Great Britain and Kongo make nice poster children for the problematic character of the EU franchise's monarch name assignment scheme.

Kongo gets Portuguese names even before they have any contact with Portugal. Great Britain gets ruler names based on Hannoverian custom even if formed by Stuart-ruled Scotland.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Agents, generals and republican rulers are monarch name (first name) + leader name (last name).
You can end up with one of these on your throne though as i believe pretenders get their name this way (didnt check though), while "an important noble" successor as well as newly created states will use the culture dynasty list.

How exactly does the chance to choose a name work?

 

[BrokenSky]

Forgive my ignorance, but negative is for female?

 

[ravenwood007]

Forgive my ignorance, but negative is for female?

Yes.

And since name lists are based on history...there are simply not enough female names to use.

Paradox, maybe take a look at the names of princesses? Some of them might ascend to the throne in an alternate universe.

 

[neondt]

Yes.

And since name lists are based on history...there are simply not enough female names to use.

Paradox, maybe take a look at the names of princesses? Some of them might ascend to the throne in an alternate universe.

Good point. Just made a suggestion for more British female names here: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/more-british-female-monarch-names.922961/