Why do I have a penalty to my scores?

[paul.canniff]

Each of my score components has a -25%. I've played for a year and just now decided to ask this ... and so help me, maybe I'm using the wrong terms for it, but I can't find an answer. What causes this, or where can I find a page which lists possible causes? Thanks! Sorry for such a noob question; I really did search the wiki and forums first.

 

[CrabHelmet]

You get penalties for being behind a rival in that specific area, or for not having a rival at all. It might be the later, in your case.

 

[ldevarga]

Each of my score components has a -25%. I've played for a year and just now decided to ask this ... and so help me, maybe I'm using the wrong terms for it, but I can't find an answer. What causes this, or where can I find a page which lists possible causes? Thanks! Sorry for such a noob question; I really did search the wiki and forums first.

Might be this - "Scoreimpact from won/lost wars is now -25% to 25% instead of -01 to +01"
not sure though.

 

[ldevarga]

You get penalties for being behind a rival in that specific area, or for not having a rival at all. It might be the later, in your case.

from patch notes:
"- Scoregain is now +10% for each rival ahead of you in score, and -10% if your rivals is all behind you"

 

[CrabHelmet]

from patch notes:
"- Scoregain is now +10% for each rival ahead of you in score, and -10% if your rivals is all behind you"

Doesn't explain the missing 5%, but guess that's most of OP's question answered.

 

[ldevarga]

Doesn't explain the missing 5%, but guess that's most of OP's question answered.

I meant that it was probably the lost/won wars score modifier given that they go to +/-25% whereas the lack of rivals only goes to +/-10%

 

[paul.canniff]

Hmm, maybe. I haven't lost a war in the last 100 years. The most recent win was over one of my rivals, who is in first place, and various allies of theirs.

i have one rival ahead of me, one behind me, and one open slot since I just beat Austria down so far they can't be my rival.

Ohhhh, but ... yes my rivals are all below me in the CURRENT MONTH for each area -- I am 1st in two spots, and where I am 3rd (Diplomacy) it is behind two non-rival merchant powerhouses, GB and Hansa.

Maybe it's 10 x 2 rivals and 5 for the missing rival? I'll poke around and let you guys know what I discover.

 

[Taterthomp2]

i've never ever even figured out how the score system works, because for me it virtually does not exist i guess... o_o the most i delve into it is what rank i am, and thats... well usually not the top unless i'm playing a western europower. P:

or ming at 1444 XD

 

[paul.canniff]

I did some experimenting with myself and other countries, and it DOES seem to be +10% for each rival above you, in a given category. I can mostly confirm that.

But I think the -25% was something else. Maybe it was having too few rivals, since I had just lost one due to beating them into the ground.

Also: I have often been at the TOP of a category and gotten +10%.

Also: If you have a rival above you, but you're really LOW< no bonus. E.g. Spain was below all its rivals but 24th in Dip (fleet got sunk), and it had a 0 modifier. It would have had no score anyway for that month in that category, but the modifier was yellow and a 0 anyway.

I am DEFINITELY glad that there seems to be no minus for being above a rival. That would make it harder to close a gap with a power who was the leader earlier.

 

[Schmoekoeksklok]

I did some experimenting with myself and other countries, and it DOES seem to be +10% for each rival above you, in a given category. I can mostly confirm that.

But I think the -25% was something else. Maybe it was having too few rivals, since I had just lost one due to beating them into the ground.

Also: I have often been at the TOP of a category and gotten +10%.

Also: If you have a rival above you, but you're really LOW< no bonus. E.g. Spain was below all its rivals but 24th in Dip (fleet got sunk), and it had a 0 modifier. It would have had no score anyway for that month in that category, but the modifier was yellow and a 0 anyway.

I am DEFINITELY glad that there seems to be no minus for being above a rival. That would make it harder to close a gap with a power who was the leader earlier.

It's +10% for each rival ahead of you in score, not in score gain. So you can get it even while being number 1 on all categories, as long as your rivals have accumulated more score up to that point.

The -25% is a penalty for each rival you haven't set (only for rival slots that are available) and has been in the game since 1.7.

 

[paul.canniff]

It's +10% for each rival ahead of you in score, not in score gain. So you can get it even while being number 1 on all categories, as long as your rivals have accumulated more score up to that point.

The -25% is a penalty for each rival you haven't set (only for rival slots that are available) and has been in the game since 1.7.

Thanks! Without a way to see per-category cumulative totals I guess we won't easily be able to predict when the bonus will show.

The -25% seems to wipe out any +bonus as well. So it's pretty brutal on score.

Where do you find all this stuff? The wiki seems hopelessly dated. I'm going to try editing it, but I feel like I really am not expert enough for it. I am an active editor on Wikipedia but only for topics I know.

 

[Landwalker]

Not at my computer right now, but I believe in the "Score Comparison" ledger page you can mouse over each score category and see a breakdown of the score total. Don't know if it also explains the "lack of a rival" thing, though.