Why do Burgundy create a vassal when it becomes my PU?

[AngelRay]

Hi,

I'm playing UK, having a RM with Burgundy. The inheritance event popped twice in two saves at different moments (with same basis).

Each time, i receive the inheritance .

But i notice that my new PU has a Hainaut (in french, sorry i don't know how it is called in english) vassal (see screenshot if you like) which is a new thing.

I don't understand where it comes from... does somebody know?

 

[BirdTheIII]

they inherited their Pu's. noticed oh no im over my gov Cap now => we need a bad fix asap and voila hainaut

 

[Vin55]

gov cap is too high for them it starts as duchy and not kingdom ranked, so it would need some prestige too level up lol, but the limit is too low in general, historical the burgundians where super efficent and their realm was administrated better than the hre or france...

 

[AngelRay]

Ok thank you.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Subjects of subjects should not be a thing...they have been systematically patched out every time it's happened because it breaks things (liberty desire, AE, etc). This is almost certainly a bug.

 

[Saat98]

Subjects of subjects should not be a thing...they have been systematically patched out every time it's happened because it breaks things (liberty desire, AE, etc). This is almost certainly a bug.

Nope, it is intended that junior personal union partners are able to have subjects. If not, weird things would happen if England PU'd France or somebody PU'd a colonizer.

 

[The Norman Yoke]

Subjects of subjects should not be a thing...they have been systematically patched out every time it's happened because it breaks things (liberty desire, AE, etc). This is almost certainly a bug.

Vassals of vassals should be allowed in 1444 and not just if you start as the beylerbey of Algiers in 1812

gov cap is too high for them it starts as duchy and not kingdom ranked, so it would need some prestige too level up lol, but the limit is too low in general, historical the burgundians where super efficent and their realm was administrated better than the hre or france...

Mary had to give up some of the centralisation efforts Charles and Philip had achieved in order to keep the territories

Hi,

I'm playing UK, having a RM with Burgundy. The inheritance event popped twice in two saves at different moments (with same basis).

Each time, i receive the inheritance .

But i notice that my new PU has a Hainaut (in french, sorry i don't know how it is called in english) vassal (see screenshot if you like) which is a new thing.

I don't understand where it comes from... does somebody know?

Would be grand if AI would pick the 3 estate gov capacity privleiges more often once over capacity

 

[deathbypie]

Would be grand if AI would pick the 3 estate gov capacity privleiges more often once over capacity

It would be even better if they just ignored being over capacity completely, because it's not that bad, and it's especially not that bad for an AI. Of all the issues plaguing the AI, Paradox choosing to address this one, of all things, is baffling. Plus, addressing it in a baffling way. Releasing subjects? Terrible.

 

[The Norman Yoke]

It would be even better if they just ignored being over capacity completely, because it's not that bad, and it's especially not that bad for an AI. Of all the issues plaguing the AI, Paradox choosing to address this one, of all things, is baffling. Plus, addressing it in a baffling way. Releasing subjects? Terrible.

Having AI sell land more often would be nice, but having subjects be important after 1454 is nice

 

[deathbypie]

Having AI sell land more often would be nice, but having subjects be important after 1454 is nice

None of that has anything to do with governing capacity. The AI has enough problems without adding more in an attempt to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[The Norman Yoke]

None of that has anything to do with governing capacity. The AI has enough problems without adding more in an attempt to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

Selling land does have something to do with gov capacity, because then that's land they've got flat amount of money for, rather than leaving as a territory, or constantly releasing to a vassal who they integrate haemrroahging DIP all the way

 

[Vin55]

Would be dumb, historical one did not cede land if there was no other way around it, mostlY by pressure or when there was a deal like I get this for You to give up the claim but I will sell province x as compensation, when there were inherintances. The gov capacity itself is just an abirtrary bs number.

 

[The Norman Yoke]

Would be dumb, historical one did not cede land if there was no other way around it, mostlY by pressure or when there was a deal like I get this for You to give up the claim but I will sell province x as compensation, when there were inherintances. The gov capacity itself is just an abirtrary bs number.

How is it an arbitrary number? Its far less arbitrary than the state limit which preceded it, and the brief existence of territorial corruption. There's far more ways to interact with gov capacity

EU4 will always struggle in having the amount of autonomy shown being accurate

 

[Vin55]

Because it is the same for all nations, it is linked to dev wich will never go down, even in war, there is no true button to delete it (the 20 year one point button does not count...). It is not fun to micro it because of building limit and having no manufactory if one builds the state house.
It is just a mess. I think it needs to be increased by a thousand over what we have now. WCs will break the limit anyways. It is also no true limiter just annoying. Plus as Spain one reaches the limit by forming the nation and one is screwed when getting the lowlands and naples.

 

[deathbypie]

How is it an arbitrary number? Its far less arbitrary than the state limit which preceded it, and the brief existence of territorial corruption. There's far more ways to interact with gov capacity

EU4 will always struggle in having the amount of autonomy shown being accurate

State limit + territory corruption was terrible, so being better than that isn't exactly hard. At least the current system doesn't force you to focus on states with high dev. It's still pretty arbitrary though.

My main issue with governing capacity is that the main way to control it is buildings, and the only way I can do that sanely in the mid-late game is using a 3rd party auto-clicker to build. Pretty bad.

 

[bestbrian]

State limit + territory corruption was terrible, so being better than that isn't exactly hard. At least the current system doesn't force you to focus on states with high dev. It's still pretty arbitrary though.

My main issue with governing capacity is that the main way to control it is buildings, and the only way I can do that sanely in the mid-late game is using a 3rd party auto-clicker to build. Pretty bad.

This is another issue: the AI doesn't build buildings, and, in the rare instance when they do, I've never seen a courthouse.

 

[deathbypie]

This is another issue: the AI doesn't build buildings, and, in the rare instance when they do, I've never seen a courthouse.

They don't really need to. The ai does build buildings frequently, if not smartly, but they also rarely get big enough to need to worry about courthouses. The AI expands slowly enough to easily ignore them.

 

[The Norman Yoke]

They don't really need to. The ai does build buildings frequently, if not smartly, but they also rarely get big enough to need to worry about courthouses. The AI expands slowly enough to easily ignore them.

It is noticeable in France and Muscovy however that start with high dev and will go on to conquer

This is another issue: the AI doesn't build buildings, and, in the rare instance when they do, I've never seen a courthouse.

I still don't get why the devs nerfed the AI building properly

 

[Lepaso]

I still don't get why the devs nerfed the AI building properly

Because some players were clamouring for a money nerf, mainly for such convincing reasons like: "there's too much money in the world, nations should be in permanent bankruptcy death spirals like they were historically" and "the AI should not perform optimally because then the player will just take their good land, there should only be bad land for the player to take to discourage expansion". The devs at the time agreed with these points and the AI got lobotomized (even more) as a result.

 

[Atlanteax]

Because some players were clamouring for a money nerf, mainly for such convincing reasons like: "there's too much money in the world, nations should be in permanent bankruptcy death spirals like they were historically" and "the AI should not perform optimally because then the player will just take their good land, there should only be bad land for the player to take to discourage expansion". The devs at the time agreed with these points and the AI got lobotomized (even more) as a result.

Perhaps this explains why Leviathan was so bad; yet another horrible decision by Dev