Why "Charlemagne"? That's not his name.

[Thure]

That's because he's French, but in the expansion since he'll be a Germanic Frank his name will automatically change to Karl.

I'm not sure how Old Frankish was writen. Maybe he would be Karol But something like this.

 

[Chattus]

I personally thinnCarolus Magnus would sound much better then Charlemagne And you could call it CKII: CM. So the short form would CM... Now it would be just C...

Reges Militum II: Carolus Magnus?

 

[SovereignGrave]

That's because he's French, but in the expansion since he'll be a Germanic Frank his name will automatically change to Karl.

At this point has there been any confirmation that they've changed Frankish to a Germanic culture and not just made it a different colour?

 

[HeilLoki]

I personally thinnCarolus Magnus would sound much better then Charlemagne And you could call it CKII: CM. So the short form would CM... Now it would be just C...

Carolus Magnus sounds awesome and would be historically correct! I really would love to see this name!

 

[HeilLoki]

At this point has there been any confirmation that they've changed Frankish to a Germanic culture and not just made it a different colour?

Not that I know of. Somebody suggested that it would be cool if they choose to do so, but that's all.

 

[Thure]

At this point has there been any confirmation that they've changed Frankish to a Germanic culture and not just made it a different colour?

Would be possible too... But unlikely. It has a similiar colour to German now. And do we really want to have French and German the same in 769?

 

[Lancelot du lac]

Ok, not their first king, but it wasn't "their" king. I was wrong with "first". You're right.

No since the merovingians took the title ''king of the franks'', and pass it de facto to charles the Hammer (chales Martel) grand father of Charlemagne, we can say it was their king. And the known frankish langage of this time was already a mix of germanic and latin langage and not what we call today the ''frankisch'' langage still (hardly) spoken as dialect in some region of germany and France (Elsaß, Aachen).

 

[Menschenhasser]

Reges Militum II: Carolus Magnus?

I will buy this Latin translation of Crusader Kings II.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

That's because he's French, but in the expansion since he'll be a Germanic Frank his name will automatically change to Karl.

You know or you guess ? Sounds like guessing still.

 

[JJDXB]

Charlemagne sounds more epic than Carolus Magnus. And besides, he's much known better in English as Charlemagne. The same way we call Him Jesus Christ, not Yeshua.

Furthermore, if he's not allowed to be a French monarch, then we can't allow the Byzantines to consider the 'proper' Roman emperors in their regnal numbering.

 

[HeilLoki]

Yes, but now you are fighting back by creating this thread! :happy:

Am I your hero now?

 

[Chattus]

No since the merovingians took the title ''king of the franks'', and pass it to charles the Hammer (chales Martel) grand father of Charlemagne, we can say it was their king. And the known frankish langage of this time was already a mix of germanic and latin lnange and not what we call today the frankish langage still spoken as dialect in some region of germany and France (Elsaß, Aachen).

Charles Martel was only duke of the Franks. You're thinking of Pepin the Short.

 

[SteveTR]

Come on, guys. We all know he was actually Czech. His real name was Karel Veliký. He invented pivo (not beer - pivo) and liked to travel to Croatia every summer.

 

[Thure]

No since the merovingians took the title ''king of the franks'', and pass it to charles the Hammer (chales Martel) grand father of Charlemagne, we can say it was their king. And the known frankish langage of this time was already a mix of germanic and latin lnange and not what we call today the frankish langage still spoken as dialect in some region of germany and France (Elsaß, Aachen).

Nope. Frankish was a Germanic language. And Dutch was a dialect of it. The Romance language in France take loan words from Frankish. And maybe there were some Romance loanwords in Frankish too... But I don't think it was a mixture between both (like English today). It was our AND their king.

 

[HeilLoki]

nope. Frankish was a germanic language. And dutch was a dialect of it. The romance language in france take loan words from frankish. And maybe there were some romance loanwords in frankish too... But i don't think it was a mixture between both (like english today). It was our and their king.

this!

But he wasn't "their" king in the sense that he wasn't "french" like the name "Charlemange" suggests, which is the whole point of this thread.

 

[Menschenhasser]

Come on, guys. We all know he was actually Czech. His real name was Karel Veliký. He invented pivo (not beer - pivo) and liked to travel to Croatia every summer.

Nope, now I think that his real name was カール大帝 and he was from Japan. We absolutely need to add Japan in Crusader Kings II because of this. And look how kawaii was he:

 

[Lancelot du lac]

Charles Martel was only duke of the Franks. You're thinking of Pepin the Short.

wikipedia : "Charles Martel (c. 688 – 22 October 741) was a Frankish statesman and military leader who, as Duke and Prince of the Franks and Mayor of the Palace, was de facto ruler of Francia from 718 until his death"
it was a de facto title at the end of his life.

 

[Lancelot du lac]

Nope. Frankish was a Germanic language. And Dutch was a dialect of it. The Romance language in France take loan words from Frankish. And maybe there were some Romance loanwords in Frankish too... But I don't think it was a mixture between both (like English today). It was our AND their king.

mmh you may be right !

 

[Thure]

this!

But he wasn't "their" king in the sense that he wasn't "french" like the name "Charlemange" suggests, which is the whole point of this thread.

It's just the English form of his name. And it's just used in the title of the DLC... We use Karl for English kings too... And not Charles.

 

[Chattus]

wikipedia : "Charles Martel (c. 688 – 22 October 741) was a Frankish statesman and military leader who, as Duke and Prince of the Franks and Mayor of the Palace, was de facto ruler of Francia from 718 until his death"
it was a de facto title at the end of his life.

That may be right but you said:

No since the merovingians took the title ''king of the franks'', and pass it to charles the Hammer (chales Martel)

They did not pass the title "King of the Franks" to Charles Martel.