Why can't you attack tributaries of nations you are allied with?

  • We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

bokorthedust

Lt. General
57 Badges
Jun 9, 2020
1.226
2.696
  • Victoria 3 Sign Up
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Stellaris
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Victoria 2
I am doing a Khaan achievement run, and since for the formation of the Mongol Empire the Persia and Khorosan regions can be held by a vassal too, I decided to 'rescue' the Timurids who have cores all over the place for easy reconquest. Currently I wanted to attack Afghanistan who recently was forced to become the tributary of by this point my useless ally Chagatai. Looking at the war declaration screen initially I was happy to see that he wouldn't honor the CtA, until I noticed the Confirm button was greyed out.

Apparently you cannot attack the tributary of one of you allies. Has this always been the case? I honestly don't remember if I ever run into this issue before, and sure, I am not at all attached to Chagatai as an ally, I just kept him around as a busybody until the more important targets could be destroyed, since all his lands will be needed for the formation of the Mongol Empire anyways. However, even if it isn't a real hurdle in this case, I still feel it's stupid you cannot attack a tributary of you ally, since they aren't regular subjects.

Has this been always the case, and I missed knowing this by never being in this situation before, or is it something new? Even if it isn't new, do you think it's OK, is it just me who finds this restriction artificial? I can see it being valid for true subjects, but tributaries don't fall into the same category mechanically neither.
 

Attachments

  • 20220303180829_1.jpg
    20220303180829_1.jpg
    679,2 KB · Views: 0
  • 20220303180908_1.jpg
    20220303180908_1.jpg
    670,7 KB · Views: 0

Nostalgium

General
90 Badges
Jan 16, 2010
2.138
5.850
  • BATTLETECH
  • Imperator: Rome Deluxe Edition
  • Stellaris: Nemesis
  • Victoria 3 Sign Up
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Tyranny: Gold Edition
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Colonel
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall Sign Up
  • Victoria 2
  • 500k Club
Always been so. Tributaries are considered subjects, and you cannot attack subjects of allies without first breaking the alliance. Just another quirk of the many, many problems with implementing tributaries as a subject type rather than, essentially, a hardcore guarantee.
 
  • 5Like
  • 2
Reactions:

bokorthedust

Lt. General
57 Badges
Jun 9, 2020
1.226
2.696
  • Victoria 3 Sign Up
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Stellaris
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Victoria 2
Always been so. Tributaries are considered subjects, and you cannot attack subjects of allies without first breaking the alliance. Just another quirk of the many, many problems with implementing tributaries as a subject type rather than, essentially, a hardcore guarantee.
Thanks, looks like I missed this up until now. As I said it's not really an issue in this case, but from now on I'll keep this restriction in mind.
 
  • 1Like
Reactions: