Why can't I rival Byzantium as Ottomans anymore?
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So, they rival you but you can't rival them, right?
If this is so- it's definitely a bug and should be reported.
If this is so- it's definitely a bug and should be reported.
It seems Byzantium now always loses Ottoman as a rival at the end of the first month.
My guess is that the rival calculation was changed and the Turks are now considered too large to be a valid rival.
And If they can't rival you, you can't rival them back.
My guess is that the rival calculation was changed and the Turks are now considered too large to be a valid rival.
And If they can't rival you, you can't rival them back.
I don't understand why they were ever able to rival Byzantium as the Ottomans in the first place. That's akin to France rivaling Brittany, or England rivaling one of the Irish minors. If I had to guess I would suggest historical flavor but if you're at all aware of the time period the dynamics of the Otto-Byz relationship are apparent without giving the Ottomans a bunch of free power projection for beating up on a nearly helpless neighbor. This is a logically consistent nerf that is simply conforming to game mechanics.
I suppose this is a nerf to the Byzantines as well, but it's a small price to pay coming from the pocket of a nation that should be all but impossible anyway.
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It does look like this change is bugged as welcome as it is. The Ottomans start out rivaled to Byzantium then "Surpass" the Byzantines at the end of November giving them a small amount of power projection. I could see something like this being intentional to mitigate the nerfed PP they no longer receive after taking Constantinople. Maybe a Dev can clear it up.
I suppose this is a nerf to the Byzantines as well, but it's a small price to pay coming from the pocket of a nation that should be all but impossible anyway.
EDIT:
It does look like this change is bugged as welcome as it is. The Ottomans start out rivaled to Byzantium then "Surpass" the Byzantines at the end of November giving them a small amount of power projection. I could see something like this being intentional to mitigate the nerfed PP they no longer receive after taking Constantinople. Maybe a Dev can clear it up.
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you cant rival Ottos as Byzantium either although Ottos occasionally start as rivaled
how dare you to compare THE MAJESTIC BYZANTIUM EMPIRE- THE EASTERN ROME-THE EMPIRE OF THE ROMANS with shitty brittanies or drunk irish minors?
Although this is meant humorously, I do agree that the very name and legacy of Rome do count for some prestige and power, although it cannot back it up in might
It happens quite frequently this patch that you can't rival people that rivalled you at game start.