Why can't I hold my own faction?

[Landmeister]

I found myself 3TIMES!!! in the following situation (I'm a duke trying to overthrow my king liege):

1. I create a faction. So far I tried changing heritance law, then selecting myself as the new king.
2. Some dukes and counts join in.
3. A message from my liege says that I must abandon my faction. No choice. Just onle single button to accept it.

I was sure I would have the option of rejecting it and beginning the rebellion...but I was wrong 3 times!!! Could someone please give me some help abou what is happening?

Thank you in advance

 

[Iron Chariots]

Your liege used his spymaster to scheme you out of factions. If you're leading a faction, it's well worth keeping an eye on where your liege's spymaster is. If he's targeting you with scheme, it's worth issuing your faction demands sooner rather than later.

 

[Landmeister]

Your liege used his spymaster to scheme you out of factions. If you're leading a faction, it's well worth keeping an eye on where your liege's spymaster is. If he's targeting you with scheme, it's worth issuing your faction demands sooner rather than later.

And is there any way to counter that? I need time to gather more supporters...

 

[Zsrai]

And is there any way to counter that? I need time to gather more supporters...

Kill the Spymaster? You can use your Spymaster to force co-vassals into your faction too, but it's not exactly lightning quick.

 

[Iron Chariots]

Kill the Spymaster? You can use your Spymaster to force co-vassals into your faction too, but it's not exactly lightning quick.

Yeah, as far as I know (and I like to think I know a good bit about this game) all you can really do is kill/imprison his spymaster and hope he sends the next one somewhere else, or at least that, as a less skilled spymaster, it'll take him longer to scheme you.

 

[Iron Chariots]

And if you need to gather more supporters, consider acquiring a bunch of favors before you found the faction. Then you can build it really quickly.

 

[Landmeister]

And if you need to gather more supporters, consider acquiring a bunch of favors before you found the faction. Then you can build it really quickly.

Why before? Can't I do it after?

 

[Iron Chariots]

Why before? Can't I do it after?

Well sure, you can, but that takes time. Your liege won't be targeting you with his spymaster if you aren't leading or in a faction, so if you buy up/earn your favors, you can found the faction and immediately call them in before he can stop you.

 

[Thorkel the Tall]

Or you could try being the spymaster? I think that helps.

I remeber vaguely that being deceitfull allows you some options? Or am I misremembering things? It been a long time since I worked with slow going factions (If I need to rebell I do it when I am strong and the liege weak, so I don't need a lot of supporters).

 

[Landmeister]

Ok. I'll try it. Thanks

 

[Heiliges Thüringens Reich]

Not having Just and Honest traits help as well