Why can't I establish Austria-hungary?

[GalaXion24]

During the game's timeframe, there was only the Austrian Empire. Austria-Hungary was a result of a increased nationalism and ethnic tensions, something that became significant in the 18th century. There is absolutely no reason it would plausibly have been formed before.

 

[Sparticulous]

Austria-Hungary is better represented as a PU of Austria and Hungary. The Hungarians made an autonomous state that was to function more like a personal union rather than one centralized state?

 

[Bibor]

Oh my. First lets first get some facts straight.

Austria, as an empire, didn't exist but for the last 16 years of EU4 timeframe. And the game models this perfectly. Once the HRE gets disbanded, Austria can finally stop being a "Grand Duchy" and click the "upgrade to Empire" button.

Hungary and Bohemia, two of the constituent parts of the Austrian Empire, were separate Kingdoms with separate crowns. The sheer number of cultures and languages in Austrian Empire made it improbable and impossible for the Austrian Empire to remain as it was originally planned. "The Compromise" that resulted in Austria-Hungary wasn't really a downgrade, as far as internal administration was concerned - it actually made it stronger.

I'm actually *for* Austria-Hungary being a formable country in EU4, with a new idea set that is better suited to a post-HRE world.

Considering Austria-Bohemia-Hungary managed to hold its own against France, Ottomans and Prussia/Germany for several centuries, especially considering all the difficulties of running a multiethnic empire, I think its fair to say that it did pretty well.

 

[ChloePech]

I am totally for Austria-Hungary if Austria owns most of Hungary or has a PU over the AND the empire has ceased to exist. I agree with thode suggesting it should offer new ideas to replace the ones that are HRE exclusive, and reflect Austria's transformation from Emperor, to empire, to a very oddly balenced empire. It would also come at the cost of some more negative events to reflect the instability Austria often faced, but surviving it would leave you with a much stronger Austria overall.

On that note as well, Bohemia post-HRE collapse should be able to turn into an early Czechia and get new ideas as well.

 

[Dakka]

I'm actually *for* Austria-Hungary being a formable country in EU4, with a new idea set that is better suited to a post-HRE world.

I agree with your post except for this: Call it something else. I’ve suggested a few times in the past creating something that makes Czech and Hungarian accepted cultures, changing Austrian to an Empire, etc.
But it shouldn’t be called Austria-Hungary. That represents a split in government. A more appropriate name would be “Austrian Empire” or “Hapsburg Monarchy” or some such. Perhaps use the black on yellow flag, new ideas for better administration, culture, or military, lock the dynasty to Hapsburg or something.

 

[Fishman786]

It is actually possible to form Austria-Hungary.

1. Load up game as Austria.
2. Press the "escape" key.
3. In the menu that pops up, select "exit to desktop".
4. Double-click on your desktop icon for Victoria II, then run the game from the launcher that appears.
5. Play this game. It is actually arguably better than EUIV, and even if it isn't then just playing Victoria II means that you, sir, are a scholar and a gentlemen.
6. Enjoy your newfound status as a member of the ParadoxPlaza aristocracy. Recite Octagon memes. Contribute to the OT. Join one of the various secret cults. Slowly leave the forum as your inevitably success-filled life puts too many worldly responsibilities on your shoulders for you to spend much time gaming. Occasionally return to the forum to be greeted by much fanfare and celebration.
7. Oh yeah I almost forgot, you can form Austria-Hungary in Victoria II. Not that you'll care about it much, it's super-easy and happens by itself most of the time.

 

[ChloePech]

If Austria became a seperate entity from the empire sooner, its likely that it would have collided with issues of nationalism sooner- the HRE falling helped kickstart the development of nationalism, which had already begun in some degree during the 100 years war, just never had the insane growth it experienced as it passed through the now-shattered german lands. Making the decision could cost points, gold, prestige- maybe at worst autonomy- but it should be a buff, because it was the best decision the Austrian empire made.

 

[Knight of the Black Rose]

Greece also didn't exist in EU4 frametime but Paradox thinks like they owe something to Greeks just because of their ancient civilization like the whole Europe reference their history was connected with Greece but in real Western Europe had nothing to do with ancient Greece as we all know. So don't mock yourselves.

 

[Dakka]

Greece also didn't exist in EU4 frametime but Paradox thinks like they owe something to Greeks just because of their ancient civilization like the whole Europe reference their history was connected with Greece but in real Western Europe had nothing to do with ancient Greece as we all know. So don't mock yourselves.

That’s a strawman. Greece is included in the game because it existing as a nation is fully credible. Greece was a pre-existing concept well before EU4’s timeframe, and the Greeks had rebelled (unsuccessfully) against the Turks in the past, including during the Ottoman wars with Venice and Russia. In addition, nationalist indepdence groups were forming before the game ends:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filiki_Eteria

Greece is also a naturally forming idea both because it had already existed in a sense, and had an ethnic basis that grew from nationalism in the 18th and 18th centuries and cultural identity.
Austria-Hungary is an artificial construct; life support for an already crumbling empire. It has no basis for existing in EU4. Belgium has more right to exist in EU4 than A-H.