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Austria-Hungary makes no sense for the time period. Two Sicilies, on the other hand, existed in 1815. Why isn't there a tag for it? It should be a minor one, like Tuscany.
 

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yea I was gonna say it if I was op I agree but germany is there because when it was not possible to randomly become emperor that decision was a way to reach empire rank

wich means tag itself is nothing but "hey I want to become an empire instead of kingdom" button :D after decision added by itself it stayed there for flavor
still doesnt change the fact germany tag was added into game to reach empire status :)
 

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You can already play as Austria-Hungary.

Step 1 pick Austria
Step 2 Get personal union on Hungary
Step 3 ???
Step 4 Never integrate Hungary
Step 5 And now you have Austria hungary just like the irl conterpart you have little to no control over the eastern half of your nation and you would be better off integrating them.


If you really want to play as Austria-hungary play Victoria 2 or if thats not an option download Kaiserreich for hoi4.
 

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still doesnt change the fact germany tag was added into game to reach empire status :)
You have a generic button to reach empire status once you have 1k development.
 

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I'm sorry for being that guy, but what exactly do you mean by "establishing Austria-Hungary"? What is "Austria-Hungary" but two states united by same monarch, with two capitals, two Parliaments, two Landwehrs, two different titles for monarch, essentially unconnected economics?.. So it would be Personal Union in all it's shine.
 

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No AUH (edit: in EU4) seems to be some kind of Paradox thing, dont try to look for sense or logic in there (i mean, we have Rome for Johan's sake...) its just the way it is.
 
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More than being in the historical timeframe, it's absence in eu4 is due to the lack of a culture behind it.
EU4's timeframe is the golden age of nation-states and if an Italian duchy had the power to unite Italy, it would call herself Italy even in the 1500s, same for Germany, Bharat etc
If an Hungarian prince conquered the Austrian territories it would either create a vassal, a client state or incorporate it in a greater Hungary rather than sharing the throne with a German.

No it wasn't. EU4 period is where the concept of nation-states started to be born, but most states were still just territorial states. The Victorian Era is where Nation States started to become a Norm: people started fighting en-masse to form Nation States, the population started working together to keep them going (thus making large Democracies possible), and numerous heterogenic nations (like Austria) started collapsing to internal nationalistic pressures.
 

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But more importantly, the Kingdom of Italy as a title always existed.

This

Kingdom of Italy is older concept than Holy Roman Empire, and so is Kingdom of Germany ( East Francia ).
The titles are there to be claimed, and officially, The Emperor of Holy Roman Empire is the King of Germany and Italy.
 

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The Kingdom of Italy was already an inheritable title, but the Italy represented in game is modeled after Napoleonic Italy, which formed in 1805, ruled officially by Napoleon but governed by his step-son. Italy in-game even uses the flag of its historical Napoleonic counterpart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Italy_(Napoleonic)?wprov=sfti1

Thats wrong, the Kingdom of Italy, in game, is modeled after the Lombardian Kingdom of Italy and thats de facto a german Kingdom, Otto I. (Emperor of the HRE since 962 A.D.) was crowned King of Italy in 951 AD.

Thats why the Emperor, in EU IV, get the mission to retake the italian HRE countries. Using the Napoleonic Flag is a failure from PDX.
 

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They could add a national disaster in which a bunch of hungarian rebels pop up and force you to release Hungary as a PU state, at least around the time that nationalism starts to pop up.
 

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In that case, I would say Austria should be able to form Austria-Hungary on 2 conditions Austria is not the Emperor and the Empire is a different religion from Austria so protestant empire and Catholic Austria this would integrate a Pued Hungary and give them as accepted culture and Austria breaks out of the HRE.

This solves the issue of it resulting from failures of Austria.

It still doesn't solve the issue of Austria being a result of Hungarians wanting more rights etc.