Why can't I establish Austria-hungary?

[Nils C. Eller]

Why can't I establish Austria-Hungary?
I mean you can establish Prussia, Tuscany, Italy, Persia, HRR, Rum, Rome, Jerusalem, Yuan... But not Austria-Hungary.

there is an achievement called: "Take that, von Habsburgs!", with the task: "As Hungary, own all of Austria as core provinces.", And yet you cannot establish Austria-Hungary.

Does that have a reason why the developers did not insert something so obvious?
In Hearts of Iron 4 the developers have added this.



You can German? Then please write me an answer here: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/wieso-kann-man-kein-Österreich-ungarn-gründen.1060414/

 

[rs2excelsior]

(I know a little German, but I feel a lot more confident in my ability to explain in Engilsh--if I'm not clear I'll see if I can make something passable in German)

Austria-Hungary is represented ingame by the personal union of Austria and Hungary. Austria can get a mission which gives it the Restoration of Union CB on Hungary that allows you to go to war to enforce a PU, or you can get your dynasty on their throne (something Austria is very good at) and hope to generate a union naturally. The strengthening of the union between the two nations would be represented by annexing Hungary. You could possibly argue for an event or decision similar to what Castille gets to unify Spain, possibly instantly integrating Hungary and reducing autonomy, but I don't think a tag switch is really necessary.

 

[Badesumofu]

I guess because it didn't exist in the game's timeline, but the broadly similar Austrian Empire did. There is nothing else in the game that could really represent something like a unified Italy. Austria getting a PU over Hungary and then integrating it doesn't really need a special tag of its own. I guess a cosmetic tag change would be sort of cool though.

Compared with the 'Spain' button, I'm not sure a free inherit Hungary button would be appropriate. Spain is an enduring state where Austria-Hungary is not, and was never really stable in the way Spain became. Austria was and is German, Hungary is not. It's not really the same. Similar again when you compare with Italy - there was an Italian pan-nationalist movement and a cohesive national identity.

I wouldn't be opposed to a tag switch for an Austria that has all the territory of Hungary, though. But then I'd also like a special tag for a France or England that manages to PU and integrate the other as well and that's well into the realm of alternate history that I know a lot of people are opposed to.

 

[Vicodin_Addict]

Because the Austro-Hungary Empire basically didn't exist until 1867 IIRC, and that's outside of the EU4 timeframe

 

[Nils C. Eller]

@Vicodin_Addict
Even in Hearts of Iron 4, it is out of time, and yet there is.
In addition, some rich one can found are also out of the timeline

 

[Nils C. Eller]

@rs2excelsior
(Deutsch wäre besser, da ich so schlecht in der Englischen Sprache bin das ich Google Übersetzer verwenden muss)
There should be an option to produce a true Austria-Hungary, which is also called Austria-Hungary.

 

[rs2excelsior]

@rs2excelsior
(Deutsch wäre besser, da ich so schlecht in der Englischen Sprache bin das ich Google Übersetzer verwenden muss)

I'll give it a try on the other thread, then

 

[Ironside121]

@Vicodin_Addict
Even in Hearts of Iron 4, it is out of time, and yet there is.
In addition, some rich one can found are also out of the timeline

Well yeah.. all the nations you form in HoI4 like that are ones that you are restoring, that have previously existed. So you're choosing to restore an old empire.

In EU4 you can form empires that existed in the games timeframe, or older ones. It's pointless comparing them as it's mostly historical formations, or restorations.

What you're trying to do is form one that didn't exist in the games timeframe or previously. I mean it's *really* close but is just out.

 

[Dakka]

Prussia, Tuscany, Italy, Persia

All existed between 1444-1821

HRR

Existed as a concept and would have been the ideal result for the Hapsburg.

Rum, Rome, Jerusalem, Yuan

All had existed in the past and still had those that either wanted to succeed them or restore them.

Even in Hearts of Iron 4, it is out of time, and yet there is.

Reforming a past Empire.

Austria-Hungary was not a desired existence. The Austrian Empire (Or Hapsburg Monarchy; whatever) are what existed in this time frame. Austria-Hungary was the breakdown of Austrian power in their Empire and sharing it with a coexisting and separate Hungarian government. Forming a nation that actually makes you weaker would not be the goal of any current ruler, and shouldn't be a goal at all, realistically speaking. The only arguable reason Hungary would do such a thing in HoI IV is to give them a claim on the former empire, not to share power with the Austrians. I could see an argument for a formable Hapsburg Monarchy tag, but not Austria-Hungary.

 

[3ishop]

Austria-Hungary was a failed state. So you wouldn't want to form it. It would be akin to annexing Hungary and then being forced to split your empire in to a PU.

 

[The-King]

Austria-Hungary was a downgrade. Why would you want to form it?

 

[Nils C. Eller]

@3ishop under my leadership, Austria-Hungary would not fail^^

 

[HRErceg]

Why can't I establish Austria-Hungary?
I mean you can establish Prussia, Tuscany, Italy, Persia, HRR, Rum, Rome, Jerusalem, Yuan... But not Austria-Hungary.

There is a reasonable explanation for all of them. Prussia, Tuscany, Persia are reasonable and you probably put them in to have more words.
HRE was a nation that exists during almost whole of the game, it's just decentralized so it doesn't look like that and a centralizing power would have the ability to unite the "nobles"
Rum is a Russia of the beyliks, it would likely be formed if it wasn't for the Ottomans, Turkey would be likely only in the late game due to the lack of nationalism
Rome was the goal of many European nations, many claimed the title of Roman Emperor and it would be a pride to consider oneself Roma, imo. it should be formable until nationalism
Jerusalem is an European crusader state in the middle east, i don't see a reason why the crusaders (Cyprus and Knights) shouldn't be able to form them.
Only one that seems unreasonable is Yuan which was a dynasty, there would likely be a different name if a mongol dynasty managed to instal itself again.

On the other hand Austria-Hungary wasn't formed to unite two kingdoms, it was the emperor of a falling empire giving in to inner strife, no one would voluntarily become AH

 

[Nils C. Eller]

@The-King Why was it a demotion?

 

[Nils C. Eller]

@HRErceg
Nobody would volunteer to become AH?
I already, and many hearts of iron 4 players too.

 

[Nils C. Eller]

I understand it now, but would still like to have this option.

 

[HRErceg]

@HRErceg
Nobody would volunteer to become AH?
I already, and many hearts of iron 4 players too.

I'm talking in a historical sense, no one would voluntarily decentralize, weaken and doom their country

 

[Maldazar]

Austria-Hungary was more of a Hungarian revolt, demanding more/equal rights in the empire/dual monarcy, and, imho, it should exist like that, but not ONLY for Austria/Hungary, but for multiple nations that are integrated by Personal Union.

Imho in the age of revolutions there should be the possibility of a disaster in countries that have very high amount of a diferent culture (hungarians in the Austria-Hungary case) where they demand more rights, losing this disaster/revolt would make the country tag change to a half/half tag, so: Austria-Hungary, with half of both flags and maybe a colour in between both colors. But it would be a bad thing, where all Hungarian lands would gain a perma X% of autonomy (maybe 25%?) displaying the extra rights that this region would gain.

This way it would be possible to create Austria-Hungary (making a lot of people happy), but not in some arbitrary way, but as a game mechanic that is applied to everyone. Would it be a good thing to do? No, but it would add some roleplay.

 

[Nils C. Eller]

@HRErceg I mean one could also insert Austria-Hungary event strings, which are e.g. in the events the Hungarians demand more rights.

 

[Vince75]

Germany did not exist as well guys.