Why can I not core these provinces?

[Howl]

I can core the first three provinces in the chain, but the next two have to be cored one by one.
Maybe because the first three are in Manchuria and the others are in ... somewhere else?
Is it because I have states in Manchuria?
My capital used to be somewhere in Manchuria it is in Lae now, so not Asia.

I though I understood how this works, but no.

 

[AlknicTeos]

What says the tooltip (make core in onan gol) ? normally you should be able, maybe you are building something there. Missionaries are at home, so that's not their fault

 

[Bouchart]

It might be because it's outside of coring range. The distance from the capital to a province isn't so intuitive.

 

[tobias.mb]

Wasn't there a rule, that on different continent you can only core adjacent to your existing cores?

 

[cuendillar]

It might be because it's outside of coring range. The distance from the capital to a province isn't so intuitive.

If this is the reason, you could easily check it out by changing to the Colonial range mapmode - coring and colonizing range are always the same.

 

[Howl]

What says the tooltip (make core in onan gol) ? normally you should be able, maybe you are building something there. Missionaries are at home, so that's not their fault

No, not building anything there.

It might be because it's outside of coring range. The distance from the capital to a province isn't so intuitive.

That is somewhat possible, but I find it highly unlikely. After coring the first three I could core Onan Gol and only after that Barguzin. So it would have to be a pretty specific setup for this to be the case.

Wasn't there a rule, that on different continent you can only core adjacent to your existing cores?

If that was the case I could core Aigun and only Aigun. But I can core the other two simultaneously.
I thought once I had a port cored connected to the provinces I could core them all.

If this is the reason, you could easily check it out by changing to the Colonial range mapmode - coring and colonizing range are always the same.

They have been long cored since. But isn't the coring range for non-adjacent inland provinces always 2000 anyway? (Can't get rid of italics)

 

[Vulkandrache]

They have been long cored since. But isn't the coring range for non-adjacent inland provinces always 2000 anyway?

What does your Diplotech look like?
Your coring range is projected inland from the nearest cored costal province if there is not land connection to the capital.
Those provinces are really large, so even in 1578 you might not have high enough tech yet.

 

[Howl]

What does your Diplotech look like?
Your coring range is projected inland from the nearest cored costal province if there is not land connection to the capital.
Those provinces are really large, so even in 1578 you might not have high enough tech yet.

I have Diptech 3...

The colonial range map mode does not really help here.
As far as I figured out all owned inland provinces take their colonial range from some port province if their owner has an uninterrupted connection to the port for them. The colonial range is taken form the if it is on the coast or one of the highest development port provinces connected to the region. Not enough examples to determine what settles a tie there. Maybe it first compares base tax, then production and takes the winner here.
All owned inland provinces without a port connection and all unowned inland provinces show 2000.

I'll be able to test this some more when I next take land from Buryatia. However that will be a while, there is still a decade of truth and I have some coalition problems.

 

[PhoenixG]

I'm more surprised you can core higgan than not be able to core those two. Since your capital isn't in Asia and there is no direct land connection, you can only core next to a cored province

 

[Kergan]

Best I'm aware the province needs to be any of:

- Adjacent to one of your cored province
- Adjacent to the sea, within your colonization range
- Part of an existing state or territory

For instance, as Florence, suppose your opening move is to annex Ferrara, Modena (Romagna), and Mantua (Lombardy). You core them, and then annex Parma (Romagna), Brescia, Cremona, and Milan (Lombardy). You'll be able to core the latter three directly, because you've a core (state or territory) in Mantua. By contrast, if your opening moves skipped coring Mantua, you'll need to core Parma, and then Cremona, before you can finally core Brescia and Milan.

 

[Howl]

Best I'm aware the province needs to be any of:

- Adjacent to one of your cored province
- Adjacent to the sea, within your colonization range
- Part of an existing state or territory

In an earlier war I took approximately these provinces from the Mameluks in my quest to borrow a printing press from Venice.
This worked exactly as I expected. I had to core Queseer (the port province in the gulf of Suez connected to the string of provinces to the mediterranean) first. Then I could core all other provinces. All of these are in the Egypt region. I had no states, no cores, no coring range to the mediterranean previously.

So my current final conclusion is:
You can core a province if it is one of:
1) A port within coring range
2) connected to a core province in the same region (not area).
3) adjacent to one of your cores
And:
4) you have the admin points for it (this happens more often than I like to admit)

2) is stricter than the "on the same continent connected to a core" that I thought was in place. Must be new after regions were introduced.
Well, I guess it gives me another opportunity to mess up in peace deals.

This may also be the source of my coalition problems...

 

[PhoenixG]

For coring stuff it has nothing to do with "on the same continent". After you cored a port, you can core anything at once within you colonial/coring range. After the province passed that range, you can only core the adjacent province. This only apply with stuff that isn't connected to your capital.

Fix the border gore

 

[Howl]

For coring stuff it has nothing to do with "on the same continent". After you cored a port, you can core anything at once within you colonial/coring range. After the province passed that range, you can only core the adjacent province. This only apply with stuff that isn't connected to your capital.

Fix the border gore

For that to be true, the distance from Queseer to Benghazi would have to be below 240, while greater 240 from Hulunbuir to Barguzin.

Indeed I need to fix those broders, especially remove those that want to join a coalition against me (everyone). In my defense for the broder gore:
Barguzin does have a gold mine and Buryatia 1.5k gold which I needed.
From the Mamluks I wanted as many mediterranean coast provinces as possible so I could build ships, conquer Venice and that way get printing press. Which is not working out too well by the way.

 

[BarrosRodrigues]

You lack inland coring range; when out of range you will only be able to core with adjacency to a core. This means it will take forever and one day to snake your way deep into Asia.
You can speed things up greatly by teching up in dip tech to increase the coring range or better yet by moving the capital back to Manchuria (to a province that is connected to what you want to core).
More info here:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/coring-rules-for-patch-1-14.896371/

Edit: Btw at least in 1.23 the colonial range map mode was useless to check coring range for inland provinces. IDK if they fixed that map mode in 1.24 but it does not change the fact that you lack coring range.

 

[Howl]

You lack inland coring range; when out of range you will only be able to core with adjacency to a core. This means it will take forever and one day to snake your way deep into Asia.
You can speed things up greatly by teching up in dip tech to increase the coring range or better yet by moving the capital back to Manchuria (to a province that is connected to what you want to core).
More info here:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/coring-rules-for-patch-1-14.896371/

Edit: Btw at least in 1.23 the colonial range map mode was useless to check coring range for inland provinces. IDK if they fixed that map mode in 1.24 but it does not change the fact that you lack coring range.

You are correct. Inland coring range is indeed a thing. And it is counted from the nearest port, not the nearest core.

I conducted a test with Cyprus and gave myself a snake of land from the Ottomans through to China. After coring the first province I could only core into Poland. Gave myself tech 32 all around and was able to core into Mongolia. However, and this I was not at all aware of, coring inland coring range is counted from your nearest core port province, not your nearest core.
So giving myself core provinces in Central Asia did not allow me to core more provinces, adding a core in Mongolia only allowed coring the next adjacent province in line.

I guess I have never been in the situation where my nearest port is so far away or in this case my colonial range is so abysmal that this would have been an issue.
Maybe there is a use for Diptech 7 after all...

 

[BarrosRodrigues]

You are correct. Inland coring range is indeed a thing. And it is counted from the nearest port, not the nearest core.

I conducted a test with Cyprus and gave myself a snake of land from the Ottomans through to China. After coring the first province I could only core into Poland. Gave myself tech 32 all around and was able to core into Mongolia. However, and this I was not at all aware of, coring inland coring range is counted from your nearest core port province, not your nearest core.
So giving myself core provinces in Central Asia did not allow me to core more provinces, adding a core in Mongolia only allowed coring the next adjacent province in line.

I guess I have never been in the situation where my nearest port is so far away or in this case my colonial range is so abysmal that this would have been an issue.
Maybe there is a use for Diptech 7 after all...

IDK where you got the idea that it was counted from the nearest core but whatever; anyway I am glad I was able to help