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What about artificial intelligence in the game? Does it using all of the game's features or it's complete dumb?

Spain blockaded my ports when I was playing France, which I think is quite impressive. They attacked from both the Netherlands and Spain, took Paris and held it for a long time. They used their troops well, until they put 50,000 men in one province, I quickly surrounded it and wiped out their force.

I guess they got a little cocky though, they had a much higher warscore then me and my little counter-attack was a lucky major success. I later lost the war because them being so rich... I couldn't produce as many troops.
 

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I was playing as Bosnia when Venice declared war, did what I could and lost. Venice crushed me and made me their vassal, surely thought I'd be annexed. :)
 

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And what about loans, do the AI using 'em? Or does anybody trying to make a loan offer to other state?
It has always been possible to make loans to the AI, even in EU2. I'm not sure why you keep bringing this point up.
 

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Has the exploration and colonizing AI been tweaked to be a little bit less deterministic, or can you still wait for a while before colonizing the areas you historically colonized and the AI won't touch it. I don't remember exactly but I thought this happened in EU2, e.g. as Spain you could leave Central America and Argentina/Chile alone for centuries before you colonized it because no other AI would go after it.
 

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It has always been possible to make loans to the AI, even in EU2. I'm not sure why you keep bringing this point up.

Because I never encountered AI which tried to give me a loan, so I am sure that it simply doesn't know how to use this feature. And if he doesn't trying to give me a loan, than it means that he never trying to do this with other Ai countries. How it was possible to make loans available for Ai in EU2? Also, I am bringing this point up because I don't want to purchase a game, in which Ai doesn't know how to use all of it's features.
 

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Let me turn the question around: At what point would you expect an AI to offer you a loan? Would you ever take such a loan?
 

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At what point would you expect an AI to offer you a loan?
When the team implements "Asshole AI" which attempts to trick you. :D
 

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It has always been possible to make loans to the AI, even in EU2. I'm not sure why you keep bringing this point up.

IIRC the ability to offer loans to the AI and get them to accept it was closed by paradox in version 1.08 or 1.09 .

Its impossible to do.
constant complaints by many many players in the past forced paradox to change it and it was a human exploit which ruined mp games.
 

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I was playing as Bosnia when Venice declared war, did what I could and lost. Venice crushed me and made me their vassal, surely thought I'd be annexed. :)

they had pity for you. did you survive much longer ?
 

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IIRC the ability to offer loans to the AI and get them to accept it was closed by paradox in version 1.08 or 1.09 .

Its impossible to do.
constant complaints by many many players in the past forced paradox to change it and it was a human exploit which ruined mp games.

Its possible in SP games under favourable loan conditions, and would work with some countries but not others.
 

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IIRC the ability to offer loans to the AI and get them to accept it was closed by paradox in version 1.08 or 1.09 .

Its impossible to do.
Actually it is possible, in SP at the least. :p
Try 100$ for 6 months at 1% ;)
 

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Because I never encountered AI which tried to give me a loan, so I am sure that it simply doesn't know how to use this feature. And if he doesn't trying to give me a loan, than it means that he never trying to do this with other Ai countries. How it was possible to make loans available for Ai in EU2? Also, I am bringing this point up because I don't want to purchase a game, in which Ai doesn't know how to use all of it's features.

IMO the lack of this feature hardly have a decisive impact on gameplay. I think loan-giving is primarily intended for MP - I remember earning lots of money by this schemes in earlier EU2 in SP...

There are much more important tactical AI issues that have been solved. Now Ai doesn't overstack his troops, it does't lift all sieges once you besiege his capital, it tries to accumulate troops before attack... In my game OE cased a lots of proglems when they besieged Napoli - they somehow were sneaking past my ships and landed lots of troops there, and maneuvered rather skillfully (especially compared to EU2 Ai).

Though I admit I was a bit careless about this war and thought: I have better techs, more ships, and whether AI has 10k or 40k doesn't make difference... It does, actually. And I think my overstretched empire is going to collapse soon, because I was taking many things for granted (I am Spain, Hard/Weakling settings).

Though *call to arms allies-> ally refuse and leave an alliance-> join again a day thereafter* issue is still there. And Genoa in my game has 49k stack of troops... (I don't complain as I attribute that to difficulty setting and regard it as a "balance" thing).
 

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Thanks to all for the information. This feature really annoyed me, because of the Ai. So, as I understood this thing (i.e. loans) was deleted from the game. Am I right? If it is true, then I think this is very good and wise decision, no need for the things, that Ai can't use. And what about loans inside of the country? Does Ai use them?
 

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Then I should laud your skill in creating of this game. I think, I will purchase it, when the boxed version will be available. Most likely I will buy English version, because I have many questions regarding to our national distributors. And at last I will repeat myself, does Ai using all of the AVAILABLE game's features?
 

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PERFECT! If it is really true, then perhaps it will be a game of my restless dreamings!

but really reluctant to use some of them if there is no need.

If now Ai understand it, then perhaps with further patches it will be SOMETHING MOST UNNATURAL!

P.S. Oh, forgot to ask, are there any ways to win in this game? (scores, something else or both?)
 
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