Why be France when you could be England?
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Blue France much superior to red France in my opinion. Red France has the worst national ideas and can't inherit anything from Burgundy, plus blue France has much more diplomatic oomf in their ideas, which I prefer over ship power etc.
I strongly disagree.
Yes, you can get the PU, but it's only a PU. And Ireland and Scotland. Not stellar.
France has more potential to put its fingers in many pies early on. In the first ten years, you can get a foothold in Ireland and thus the British Isles, grab a province from Portugal to open up another front, release Catalonia as a vassal to cut Aragon without AE before IW, AND get all your cores back. That's only 2-3 wars and that's pretty easy. You don't even need a no CB on Leinster anymore to skip their navy because England now attacks you like an idiot, so you can get Pale the first war, and then attack them out of truce. If you play your cards right you can also be Emperor, and if you restart until that happens, you get full BI. Honestly, you can even have luck and have Aragon allied with Austria, which allows you to take Gorz and open yet another front.
Not mentioning that France has french ideas and L'Etat c'est moi without cultureshifting, and French ideas are one of the best sets since 1.20 because of the synergy of their tolerance and humanist (but I assume you form France anyway as England).
Human England played well may be on par with casual Human France. Human France played well is still vastly superior. Try to own 100 European core provinces with England before 1500 and tell me how it goes.
Yes, you can get the PU, but it's only a PU. And Ireland and Scotland. Not stellar.
France has more potential to put its fingers in many pies early on. In the first ten years, you can get a foothold in Ireland and thus the British Isles, grab a province from Portugal to open up another front, release Catalonia as a vassal to cut Aragon without AE before IW, AND get all your cores back. That's only 2-3 wars and that's pretty easy. You don't even need a no CB on Leinster anymore to skip their navy because England now attacks you like an idiot, so you can get Pale the first war, and then attack them out of truce. If you play your cards right you can also be Emperor, and if you restart until that happens, you get full BI. Honestly, you can even have luck and have Aragon allied with Austria, which allows you to take Gorz and open yet another front.
Not mentioning that France has french ideas and L'Etat c'est moi without cultureshifting, and French ideas are one of the best sets since 1.20 because of the synergy of their tolerance and humanist (but I assume you form France anyway as England).
Human England played well may be on par with casual Human France. Human France played well is still vastly superior. Try to own 100 European core provinces with England before 1500 and tell me how it goes.
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The PU is by no means difficult to keep, the only way England is worse than France, well, okay, the Inheritance, but that's not as big of a prize as France, so...what does it matter? The only two countries with bigger prizes than England (re France), are Castile with the Wedding and the Inheritance (very easy to get now), and Austria with the Inheritance and crazy PUs. I guess Poland is close with Lithuana, but France > Lithuana (in game at least, no real judgments here folks).
The reason to not play England is the freaking Parliament, which you can get rid of but it kind of nerfs your country for a few years.
The reason to not play England is the freaking Parliament, which you can get rid of but it kind of nerfs your country for a few years.
Despite England getting the PU over France, I'd still pick France any day of the week when going for achievements. They're just vastly superior to England when it comes to national ideas, culture group, expansion opportunities, etc etc.
Brexit please.
Brexit please.
cough cough culture switch cought cought form france since its formable country O_O(seriusly 
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result: you got english parliment monarchy with france ideas + entire britain
)result: you got english parliment monarchy with france ideas + entire britain
Instead of going through the hassle try the following:
1. Be France.
2. Conquer Britain.
3 ????
4. Profit.
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Saying 'form France as Britain' just seems weird because you would have to either a) force union and integrate France, or b) conquer all of France, then unstate states, state French mainland, culture shift, and then you're finally France.
I honestly don't see that being any more beneficial than just outright starting as France and just go ham on the world.
1. Be France.
2. Conquer Britain.
3 ????
4. Profit.
EDIT:
Saying 'form France as Britain' just seems weird because you would have to either a) force union and integrate France, or b) conquer all of France, then unstate states, state French mainland, culture shift, and then you're finally France.
I honestly don't see that being any more beneficial than just outright starting as France and just go ham on the world.
actually you dont need to unstate entire states you got... france culture is more dominant than france I rembember that once when I annex france I was able to make france culture my main culture group and form france( I didnt because I wanted to play trade game so extra production was godlike to me
in worst case you will need to unstate irish lands but that should be enought
Forming France is not hard because Francien culture (the main culture if not the only culture - need to check provinces now) required to form France is a gigantic culture (238 Dev at 1444) where English is 184.
However the real question for me on this is whether or not you like the English Government form. I don't. So France. I'm not saying it inst a strong government..... but really in the end if we want to be silly its form Prussia as anyone for Prussian monarchy and Prussian Space Marines.
However the real question for me on this is whether or not you like the English Government form. I don't. So France. I'm not saying it inst a strong government..... but really in the end if we want to be silly its form Prussia as anyone for Prussian monarchy and Prussian Space Marines.
As France, you could either disband the HRE within a year, or become emperor yourself. Obviously, that also means you can get the double inheritance. Getting to 75k/80k forcelimit and being able to pay for it is just way too good.
EU4 Tag switching is in general far too easy. Regardless, as many people have already pointed out, it is easier to start as France than to switch to France as England.
Step 3 is unnessesary.
Step 3 is unnessesary.
I wish there was a decision to form a new country if you have france cores with english culture(not group... so scotland cant do it). will grant you new ideas but they will not be ideas that gonna grant you better set... just a combined set of english and france ideas (as example will use heavy ship combat abilty of england + diplomatic relation of france + colonial idea of england + morale bonus of france etc + production bonus of england etc etc... it would be cooler
Note: This will not give you magic button to annex france instant... you will still need to diplo annex it also since 100 years war was a war between 2 france king culture group will turn into france culture from english too
Note: This will not give you magic button to annex france instant... you will still need to diplo annex it
also since 100 years war was a war between 2 france king culture group will turn into france culture from english tooThe one upside of England is, yes, the MASSIVE PU that basically means they win Europe (and then you become Emperor and the game is over) and their government, which people often forget- English monarchy is rather good, with bonuses including an EXTRA COLONIST at times- which is exceptionally powerful and makes up for their lackluster ideas in my opinion.
That massive PU is just a PU. I'd prefer to control the troops myself. I'd rate full BI almost as good as a PU on France as you can control the land directly.
English monarchy has no nobility estate which means a net loss of 150 mil points every 20 years and no free general every 10 years, so probably all around a loss of almost 1 mil point per month. How can you call that a rather good government... Extra Colonist is just money, it should not be a limiting factor as an European major. And you need to get rid of English Monarchy before Age of Absolutism. England also has some of the worst chain of events in the game, which is historical but insanely painful. Take 20k pretenders. Take 20k lollards. Take 20k pretenders. Take more pretenders.
Once again, what you say may be right ChloePech, but I challenge you to do what I said in my first post. Play England and manage to open up fronts on 4 majors within 10 years. France can without much cheese, and thus can already be the emperor and pass reforms by that point.
English monarchy has no nobility estate which means a net loss of 150 mil points every 20 years and no free general every 10 years, so probably all around a loss of almost 1 mil point per month. How can you call that a rather good government... Extra Colonist is just money, it should not be a limiting factor as an European major. And you need to get rid of English Monarchy before Age of Absolutism. England also has some of the worst chain of events in the game, which is historical but insanely painful. Take 20k pretenders. Take 20k lollards. Take 20k pretenders. Take more pretenders.
Once again, what you say may be right ChloePech, but I challenge you to do what I said in my first post. Play England and manage to open up fronts on 4 majors within 10 years. France can without much cheese, and thus can already be the emperor and pass reforms by that point.
Parliament gives you more than just free colonists: You can also get +1 Stability and war exhaustion reduction, +2 Mercantilism, free tax development on several debates, reduction of tech, advisor, diplo-annex or development costs, inflation reduction... There are many things you can get from parliament that normally cost monarch points than can more than make up for the lost MIL and generals from being unable to milk the Nobles for them.
Really, the biggest problem with English Monarchy is 1.) reduced absolutism, and 2.) To get out of it and move on to the final tier governments (all of which are better than EM, even Constitutional Monarchy), you have to trigger English Civil War Disaster or wait even longer for the Revolution.
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well 1 m? each year?
LOL first of all you cant allways get 150 military from it usually 100(keeping it balance at %75 and %80 is not easy task)
second: YOU CANT EVEN USE IT EVERY YEAR O_O
third sometimes money is a good thing to have
