Why as Emprr shouldn't we be able to transfer the vassalage of a duke to another King

[jonlucero]

This surprised me. As Emperor of Francia and King of France, I got inside my realm a few other kingdoms, Castille to name one, and more so dutchies especially in Andalusia. I find it too burden some to micro-manage these dutchies in this area so I decide to grant one of my lesser children the vassal Kingdom of Castille and I want the duchies in the de jure Kingdom of Andalusia, all of them, to belong to him. The big however is that I can't, there simply is no button to do so.

We all know we can transfer the vassalage of a barony, a bishop, and a mayor to a count and a count to a vassal duke without problems...

the question then is why, as Emperor, shouldn't we be able to transfer the vassalage of one of your dukes to one of your vassal King? Or is this something the game missed?

 

[Kimberly]

I think de jure dukes can only be transferred to their de jure king. Don't ask me why.

What you could do is create the Kingdom of Andalusia. If you then grant the title to your King of Castille, all of the de jure vassals of Andalusia should be transferred to him, as well. (The text will say, be sure to check.) Then you can revoke and destroy the Andalusia title, if you want.

 

[jonlucero]

What you could do is create the Kingdom of Andalusia..

Thing about this is that you have to be Arab/Muslim (not sure which it was) to do this.

I think de jure dukes can only be transferred to their de jure king. Don't ask me why.

If true that dukes can only be transferred to their de jure king then it looks like I won't be able do anything about this unless I create a small mod.

 

[Kimberly]

Thing about this is that you have to be Arab/Muslim (not sure which it was) to do this.



If true that dukes can only be transferred to their de jure king then it looks like I won't be able do anything about this unless I create a small mod.

If you feel like the game really should allow you to do this, as I sometimes feel with certain features, it's hardly cheating if you edit your save to put those duchies under Castille's control.

 

[Jia Xu]

We used to be able to transfer dukes to any vassal king. This was changed a couple of patches though and no reason was given. If I were to take a guess, it's probably to stop the AI from making de jure borders turn really weird? I don't think we've heard anything from the developers on the subject.

 

[jonlucero]

We used to be able to transfer dukes to any vassal king. This was changed a couple of patches though and no reason was given. If I were to take a guess, it's probably to stop the AI from making de jure borders turn really weird? I don't think we've heard anything from the developers on the subject.

Unless there's reason why we shouldn't be able to, we should be able to transfer the vassalage of these dukes, right?

 

[Chevaresqye]

Unless there's reason why we shouldn't be able to, we should be able to transfer the vassalage of these dukes, right?

Since the invention of troop teleportation, transferring dukes to any vassal kings freely can lead to some abusive usings.
And IIRC, not all your count vassals will appear in the transfering vassalage list.

 

[grumphie]

its because of troop teleportation. would be too OP if you could AND keep your vassels weak AND have instant access to troops from the corner of persia in scandinavia because he happens to be a vassel of a norwegian king thats a vassel of you.

in these cases(uncreatable de jure kingdom) i justify consoling the title in if i got all of its de jure area and im not making one large de jure kingdom.

 

[Achab]

Of course there is a reason, the free ducal vassal transfer was used heavily to perform so called Kingdom and Empire tunneling exploit.

By the transfer players left the original title without a single vassal, so they didnt need to worry about land loses when they lost the title.

Something like: "So you are strong enough to win back that kingdom I stole from you 10yrs ago when you were in the middle of succession crisis and attacked by two mongol hordes? Okay, here, take it back, but all the vassals there are under the Kingdom of Tramtaria now, so you wont get a single holding from it."

OR

"Hmm, so I finally got elected that emperor, but I am kinda old, and the vassals are not voting for my son as the next empieror. Okay, lad, here, take this king title and here accept all the empire dukes as your vassals, so when I die the new emperor will control only his private domain and you will be his only megavassal."