There is at most 1 or 2 pips difference as you go further along the tech line. Why has higher tech units been nerfed so badly? I'm sure if a regiment of Prussian infantry faces a regiment of 17th century Swedish musketeers, the difference would be way more than 1 fire pip and 1 defensive pip.
Why are the higher-tech units now hardly any different to the lower tech units?
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The intention is that nations that are at comparable levels of technology perform similarly (which is reasonable, that's what military tech is supposed to represent). In practice, most non-Europeans that don't westernize will still get blasted in AI hands, because they won't keep up in military technology, and they'll lag for a long time even after they finish westernizing.
Don't worry, between Europe's stronger NIs, cheaper tech, and thus access to ideas sooner it will still completely faceroll anything else in the world that isn't in player hands with little effort.
Why is this suddenly about non-european nations? I'm talking about how land combat there isn't much disadvantage anymore in not keeping up in tech.
There is. Though the difference now lie in tactics and fire and shock multipliers.
The pip flattening was done in large part to make same-tech non-Europe viable, since westernizing no longer gives western units.
Saying there "isn't much disadvantage in not keeping up in tech" is like an active advertisement that one doesn't understand combat
. When you're down a tactics level or especially two, you're going to get completely murdered even if your unit pips are technically better.If you don't believe me, go ahead and sit at tech 6 until someone reaches tech 8 in military, attack them, and watch what happens.
"modern" Rifles vs muskets/matchlocks.
couple of decades out of time period.
Was 20k vs 200k with 3% casualties vs 10% casualties and 17k-50k vs 200k.
Doesn't sound much like 1k annihilating 50k chinamen
You still want to mantain military tech speed (to be at least on-time), as some tech levels are still very dangerous to not have. Any tech that gives a tactics bonus, a morale bonus, or a heavy fire/shock modifier is pretty huge still.
Battle of Hlobane -> 675 UK vs 25k Zulu. UK loses. Although a different time, but:
A) UK-soldiers had better weapons than in EU4-timeline
B) Zulu used a more primitive weapons than the Chinese
Ergo? There is no simple function to calculate victories. Sorry, but the dice-system is insufficient.
A) UK-soldiers had better weapons than in EU4-timeline
B) Zulu used a more primitive weapons than the Chinese
Ergo? There is no simple function to calculate victories. Sorry, but the dice-system is insufficient.
You do realize how big of a difference military technology went from 1812 to 1879?
The point being that vastly superior mil tech has definitely allowed smaller armies to decimate larger ones. Besides which, I've never seen a 1-stack take out a 50-stack regardless of mil tech level, generals, or any other advantage. That's obviously a huge exaggeration. If a Western 20-stack takes out a Chinese 50-stack with a 5 or 6 mil tech level advantage, I'd say that's entirely plausible.
That still happens though, assuming an actual tech lead you can do it even w/o western (aka I could trash 30k Timurid troops with barely over half that with Taberestan due to a 2 tech lead). I'm not sure what the OP is talking about; any European player should mow down Chinese and Indian tech nations with little to no effort once they know how the game works, unless the latter is in player hands and gouges miltech or westernizes.
5-6 mil lvl is ca 100 years difference. An army that's from previous century should be anihilated by half the forces.
Actually all New World units in 1650's-1700's were far superior to European, meaning it was a real only chance for Aztects to start their way to Sunset Invasion achievement. Now it's quite just that 1-2 pips difference in similar techs units doesn't make that huge difference.
Wat.
Prior to patch 1.6, westernizing gave western units. After patch 1.6, the pip differential was never greater than 4 and was certainly not huge in the 1650 - 1700 range in Mesoamerica's favor.
I had little trouble with France even after 1800.
I think the OP is rather talking about the general reduction of pips of units, not of techgroup - they have been halved in...1.7? In order to make the other aspects of technology have a greater impact.