Not off-topic, this is a flat out troll. And judging from their user title, this isn't the first time either. I'll be pleased to report this one. Good riddance... I hope.
Why all the hype about The Republic?
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Not off-topic, this is a flat out troll. And judging from their user title, this isn't the first time either. I'll be pleased to report this one. Good riddance... I hope.
Drop what exactly? The fact that pagans were diminishing in CK2 timeframe? Or the fact that conversions were very one-sided for more than 1k years before the game started?
People thinkin that a player base is more interesting in a few pots of dying religion than in muslims or merchant republics are wierd.
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Off topic: Trees are just books that are not introduced to a sawmill yet.
On topic: I think it will be fun for 1 game, just like LoR. Besides retinues, reforming the Roman Empire was fun once, but after that, I didn't touch the Byzzies again.
Hmmmm? Muslims occupy about half the map while Norse pagans occupy a few areas of Northern Scandinavia. :huh: I'm not against pagans but for a game during this time period Muslims are the more logical choice.
He's talking about the player demand, not how spread each group is. Call it viking appeal, call it a desire to fight the ruling power, regardless, the norse and other pagans have been probably more requested than muslims ever were, much more than republics anyway.
But we all love Norse Pagans more than muslims
. Muslims have the least interesting game starts in 1066, while the opposite can be said for the norse. Then again the holy war system will need a MAJOR nerf for a pagan dlc to work. Ck2plus managed it quite decently.
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On the topic of pagans being an inferior form of christians, I have to disagree. These are 99% of your ancestors that you are making fun of man! Show some respect, please. And thats why pagans are more interesting.
If the pagan dlc gives us opportunities to meet a druid/priest and convert to the old faith, i would be hella excited ;P
Really? I'll admit I only got the game in July so I wasn't on the forum but it seems odd that in the pre-SOI days, that more people wanted Norse Pagans than Muslims in a game set in the 11th century. Oh well, I guess people really do love their Vikings.:laugh:
I see what you mean. I'll admit, I can't say I play many Muslim games.But we all love Norse Pagans more than muslims
Then again the holy war system will need a MAJOR nerf for a pagan dlc to work. Ck2plus managed it quite decently.
We certainly do
, SoI was not in high demand at the time but most still bought it out of support for Pdox. There were tons of viking mods released too. You never see any muslim mods.
But we all love Norse Pagans more than muslims
Then again the holy war system will need a MAJOR nerf for a pagan dlc to work. Ck2plus managed it quite decently.
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On the topic of pagans being an inferior form of christians, I have to disagree. These are 99% of your ancestors that you are making fun of man! Show some respect, please. And thats why pagans are more interesting.
If the pagan dlc gives us opportunities to meet a druid/priest and convert to the old faith, i would be hella excited ;P
Muslim starts can be just as interesting, they're just not focused on by Paradox. Some of my favorites are:
The Zirids, Sultans of Africa but with only a small sliver of the de jure kingdom.
The Sheikhdom of Palermo, the biggest Muslim foothold on Sicily (also the only one with realistic chances to survive). Might prove to be a real thorn in the midst of the Christians.
Though not 1066, it's close enough: playing Rum can be quite fun from the Alexiad, with the Byzantines not quite defeated yet.
A Sheikh or Emir in Iberia, trying to break free of the Almoravids and establishing your own Sultanate in Iberia.
If his past interactions on this very topic were any indicator... You probably should have not fed him that. Anyway, *grabs popcorn
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This could be improved by simply making all merchant entities playable (vassal republics, cities). It would have to be elaborated, though.
If I may add to this, starting as the original Ottomans and Safavids and trying to re-do their historical rise can be quite the challenge, specially the later as you have to deal with the IlKhanate and Timurids.
But we all love Norse Pagans more than muslims
That's a curious statement. Muslims have as many different starting challenges and objectives in 1066 as Christians do. Norse game starts in 1066 seem to be limited to small lords in Sweden. If you find all the dozens of potential muslim starts in 1066 to be uninteresting, and yet are fascinated by the variety of starts for that handful of norse lords, that's not really an objective truth.
Personal fetishes aside, muslims and byzantines being covered in DLC before the pagans were is a giant "duh". Both were of significant interest to the wars from which the game draws its name. Republics as well in a much lesser degree. Vikings after 1066 will always be a niche interest. A niche interest that would be an interesting and meaningful addition to the game, certainly, but acting like it should have been priority number one is breathtakingly silly.
You are right, but nobody's actually arguing against you. Nobody said muslims and orthodoxes dont make more objective sense, but gauging forum buzz, its preety clear people dont view this strictly objectively. Plus, once you move outside the forum, to the more casual players, what do you think is more markeatable: "play as muslims, get some extra taxes from infidels, become a caliph and theres a decadence system too" or "play as the pagan, raise your battle axe and go pillage christian lands, defend you throne from challenges by combat and turn the tide on history!". With online impulse purchases, a pagan dlc with viking focus sells itself.
If you believe that, it's ok, but you may want to consider that there may be others who believe differently.
Were you replying to me? (Please remeber to quote so the user can know who youre talking to). I didnt even mention my prefereces (theocracies, holy orders playable and crusades overhaul FYI). Im talking about the tendencies here in the forum. Heck, the "Wrath Of Odin" fake dlc announcement was a good example of this
Why all the hype about Republic? A new style of play, more focused on building than the feudals who have a slower ramp up before they can really start working on their provinces. They're also a new weapon for feudals in general, as new Doges can be created where you like, and even if you keep them AI rather than switching to play as them, they'll still be spreading themselves out and such, and will probably be asking for your royal aid to handle conquest in their name.
In short, for someone like me who likes to build and is hamstrung by lack of funds, they feel like they'll be ideal. Or at least interesting to see what can develop. I imagine a player switching many places on the map to new-style Republics and seeing what happens over time.
In short, for someone like me who likes to build and is hamstrung by lack of funds, they feel like they'll be ideal. Or at least interesting to see what can develop. I imagine a player switching many places on the map to new-style Republics and seeing what happens over time.
This is a very good point that I was trying to make ;p. Public opinion has always liked vikings more than muslims, for obvious reasons ;D
Whatever adds to my gameplay, without being rediculous, is definately something I will look forward to.