Why AI claiming Fallen Empire system around mid game, when they don't even have Battleship yet?

[Nevars]

Are the AI dumb or they are masochist that want FE to use them as punching bag?

I just notice this because a member of my federation just did this and dragged the entire federation into annoying war with FE.

Edit to include pic

Spoiler: Council of Werheni claimed FE system

Spoiler: Prob cuz no space to expand

Spoiler: FE bitchslap them for their trouble

 

[grommile]

Without evidence on display it's hard to say.

I might speculate that it could be because it's surrounded by fellow federation members so can't claim anything else and is programmed to start claiming things when it hits the influence cap.

 

[Nevars]

Without evidence on display it's hard to say.

I might speculate that it could be because it's surrounded by fellow federation members so can't claim anything else and is programmed to start claiming things when it hits the influence cap.

This might be it, I think they ran out of space to expand.

Probably an oversight that dev forgot to take into account that AI shouldn't claiming stuff against vastly superior foe even if they have no where to expand.

 

[grommile]

My other thought is that the AI puts a lot of faith in fleet power as a meaningful metric, and probably doesn't have any kind of discount factor for how hard it would be to concentrate that fleet power, or the metagame knowledge that FE fleets punch above their FP rating unless you build a hard-counter fleet.

I dare say if your federation put all its ships in one place it could outmatch an FE's headline fleet power.

 

[Nevars]

Without evidence on display it's hard to say.

I edit to included pic.

My other thought is that the AI puts a lot of faith in fleet power as a meaningful metric, and probably doesn't have any kind of discount factor for how hard it would be to concentrate that fleet power, or the metagame knowledge that FE fleets punch above their FP rating unless you build a hard-counter fleet.

I dare say if your federation put all its ships in one place it could outmatch an FE's headline fleet power.

Hard to say, my entire fleet is amount to around 130k I think but iirc isn't FE has 2 120k fleet lying around (they certainly are still superior to me) and I don't think all members of my federation combine can match my fleet.

 

[HFY]

- Oh hey it's a tiny NPC empire who wants to be my protectorate.
- Sure, little buddy, I'll take that free Influence boost.
- Oh the little idiot had made claims on a Fallen Empire.
- Which just DOW'd both of us.
- f u h

 

[Nevars]

- Oh hey it's a tiny NPC empire who wants to be my protectorate.
- Sure, little buddy, I'll take that free Influence boost.
- Oh the little idiot had made claims on a Fallen Empire.
- Which just DOW'd both of us.
- f u h

Lol I'm thinking of kicking them out after the war then tributary them to outsource my basic resources production to them.

I almost achieved no worker in my empire now with only 2 tributary.