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As has been stated before by Podcat, if they did '33, they'd have to call it rise of Hitler. Is that true? That's your choice, especially considering DH did '33. One thing to remember though, is that HOI has always been a war game. Part of the reality of the time, is that the democratic powers were hoping that war wouldn't happen. The earlier they go in time, is just giving most players more time to build more war machines, which they don't want. Of course you can argue, well, they can include more political options, which they could. But then as Podcat explained also, they'd have to include way more political options than they would care to. HOI is meant to be a wargame, with politics as a secondary concern.
So in short, because the developers feel it would change the focus of the game.
So in short, because the developers feel it would change the focus of the game.
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The op might not have been asking why not '33. But if the OP was referring to that date then yeah, war game over the rise of nazis for me!
The reason for 1936 is because its the date when Germany openly disavowed the disarmament clauses on the Treaty of Versaille and went for broke on rearmament. That basically put her on the path towards either economic ruin or war... in essence, it's when some kind of war in Europe became nigh unavoidable.
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my thought was that if a player wanted to change their ideology as a major nation, they would (according to the www streams) need to have a civil war. since a civil war will probably take a fair amount of time, plus the time it takes to rebuild your wartorn country, you won't be ready for war until 39-40, giving you a severe disadvantage. i might just be wrong about how long it would take for a civil war and reconstruction to happen though, since the devs havent shown it yet.
I see your point, but you would get lots of the equipment of the other partner in the civil war and all of (their non broken) factories. So if you had a civil war in 1936 and it lasted 6 months you could, in my opinion, rebuild in another 6 months at most.
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So that Europa universalis, Victoria and Hearts of Iron can be chained in their timelines 
Too bad though, that you can't load an endgame save from EU into victoria, and from Victoria to HOI
(I haven't played Vicky or EU though i did watch some gameplay on YT. This doesn't stop me from wishing that we could play a single campaign in those 3 games, by loading the map into the next game after enddate)
Too bad though, that you can't load an endgame save from EU into victoria, and from Victoria to HOI(I haven't played Vicky or EU though i did watch some gameplay on YT. This doesn't stop me from wishing that we could play a single campaign in those 3 games, by loading the map into the next game after enddate)
So that Europa universalis, Victoria and Hearts of Iron can be chained in their timelines
(I haven't played Vicky or EU though i did watch some gameplay on YT. This doesn't stop me from wishing that we could play a single campaign in those 3 games, by loading the map into the next game after enddate)
This is more or less possible, some fan made converter tools that allow to importe you save from EU to Vicky II and (not sure) from Vicky II to HoI3. And there is a DLC that allow you to import a CK2 save to EU4.
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The remilitarizing of the Rhineland is the first of Hitler's actions which lead ultimately to a global conflict. You could make an argument for the occupation of the rump of Czechoslovakia but this won't give players a lot of time before the war. Another issue with going earlier or later is balancing the national focus trees.
That and the Spanish civil war many consider as the prelude of WW2.
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It isnt called road to war for no reason. 1936 is basicly when it was clear that a war was comming, even tho france and the UK ignored it for as long as they could. Aside from the spanish civil war, the remilitarisation of the rhineland was an active violation of the versailles treaty and then there was the chinese invasion of china aswell of course.
If you would went back further it would be an very boring game for the democratic nations, since they are limited in their actions untill fascists or communists raise the world tension. If they did decide to do a 33 start it would basicly become , as podcat said, the rise of the nazi party in germany and would require whole different gameplay mechanics that would actually go into victoria territory to fill the 3 years with reasonable mechanics.
If you would went back further it would be an very boring game for the democratic nations, since they are limited in their actions untill fascists or communists raise the world tension. If they did decide to do a 33 start it would basicly become , as podcat said, the rise of the nazi party in germany and would require whole different gameplay mechanics that would actually go into victoria territory to fill the 3 years with reasonable mechanics.
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I would have to disagree as do most historians. Germany's invasion of Poland on 1 Sept 1939 is the most accepted start date of WW2, but many historians argue it was the Japanese invasion of Manchuria in September of 1931.
So if you're going to use Japan's invasion of China in 1937, you way better off using the Japanese invasion of Manchuria in 1931 which is widely accepted as a WW2 Start date.
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You could also argue that it started in 1919 with the Treaty of Versailles or even at 1914 by saying as many have that world war 2 was a continuation of world war 1. My point being that there are valid arguments for many different start dates but they had to pick 1 just like they did for EU4.
1936 is basically a nice balance between preparing for the war and not having to play a huge amount of time for things to kick off historically at least, and ahistorcial outcomes from that point are possible. Anything earlier would require more civilian aspects to the game to be interesting for countries other than Germany or Japan and it'd be less of a war game as a result, anything later and you're unable to influence the pre war strategies of your nation.
I've always taken WW2 to mean the various wars that started in the late 30s that were going on or started on Dec 7th 41 when they almost all merged into one with clear(ish) definable sides (the notable exception being the lack of conflict between Japan and the USSR till August 45 amongst others).
I've always taken WW2 to mean the various wars that started in the late 30s that were going on or started on Dec 7th 41 when they almost all merged into one with clear(ish) definable sides (the notable exception being the lack of conflict between Japan and the USSR till August 45 amongst others).
I have serious doubts that 1931 was "widely accepted" as the start of WW2
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I agree, for Hearts of Iron, 1936 really is the optimal start date. Mods and DLC can take the game into different start dates, but for the base game 1936 is perfect as it gives you time to prepare for the war you want while maintaining the war game focus and not starting you too late were you have no control of the direction of your nation
Amongst published historians in the pages of history, the two dates I listed Japanese invasion of Manchuria in 1931 and the German invasion of Poland in 1939 are the two widely accepted. Like I said the German invasion is the most accepted but the Japanese invasion is much talked about in this sense.
Don't forget one of the opening screens of HOI3 had this prediction made by Marshal Foch: "This is not peace. It is an armistice for 20 years".
He was "wrong" by about only 65 days...
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