Who won?

[tog34]

if not properly backed up by italian and japanese skilled players Germany will be trampled and steamrolled about 2 weeks after her initial attack against poland. To achieve victory on poland the reich will have to send in around 60/80 divisions while she will only be able to keep 20/30 divisions on the west front France and England would have amassed 100/130 divisions in France and would simply steam roll the left overs of german strength on the west side of the reich. What saved the Reich from an utmost defeat in 1939 was that none of the nearly 60 French division forming the maginot line and back up troops moved.... There was nothing in front of them to stop them but no French or English minister would have sent their troops first in fight for Danzig.

I really don't think the British would be able to afford to send 100/130 divisions to France. Even if they did attacking the German defenses would be suicide. I am pretty sure the Germans can improve the defenses on the border of France to make sure just in case the British do do that then they will be cut down. If the Germans do bring their entire army to bear on the allies and they take France, Britain could be in a dangerous spot if they lose anywhere near all or half of those divisions.

 

[Denkt]

Germany do have its limits however the game is setup so that Germany and other facist have a strong early game buildup.

 

[Harada.Taro]

They don't have to take France, France would join the allies and open fields for British troops to go in, combined France and British army will be more than enough to go through the german west defense. And I will quote Alfred Jodl "if we did not collapse already in the year 1939 that was due only to the fact that during the Polish campaign, the approximately 110 French and British divisions in the West were held completely inactive against the 23 German divisions."

 

[Denkt]

HOI4 is not exactly real life

 

[Harada.Taro]

HOI4 is not exactly real life

That's why player on HoI IV would join their armies in France to steam roll germany.... unless italian and japan human played would act smartly to counter such allied retaliation against poland invasion.

 

[Denkt]

And thats why Germany is stronger in the game then it was in real life so to make it competitive even then people use such hindsight.

 

[Harada.Taro]

Sure but still to me I hink germany will lose. They don't have a navy so the French can go through maginot line and the british land their troops North... If well played by the Allies Germany has no chance at all to survive alone only her allies italy and Japan can save her.

But if I was the german player, I would not invade poland first... There are better ways to survive.

 

[Zaku]

That's why player on HoI IV would join their armies in France to steam roll germany.... unless italian and japan human played would act smartly to counter such allied retaliation against poland invasion.

Johan tried to do that in the MP stream. It didn't go well for the allies...

 

[Beagá]

In a live game with real people playing all the key countries

With all players being more or less equal in skill/ability/knowledge etc.

In your opinion what do you feel the win/loss ratio between the Axis & Allies will/should be?

With historical build orders, historical alliances and historical dates of wars?

 

[JerkyJerry]

With historical build orders, historical alliances and historical dates of wars?

Yes

 

[77Hawk77]

In a live game with real people playing all the key countries

With all players being more or less equal in skill/ability/knowledge etc.

In your opinion what do you feel the win/loss ratio between the Axis & Allies will/should be?

Well in my Hoi3 games, Commintern won a lot, because i was forced to play them.

I think USA is going to be winning Hoi4 a lot unless they are drastically changed from how they played in www.

 

[tog34]

Well in my Hoi3 games, Commintern won a lot, because i was forced to play them.

I think USA is going to be winning Hoi4 a lot unless they are drastically changed from how they played in www.

Well it depends if the Germans can beat the soviets because if they can then I think it will be hard for the allies to naval land in Europe without taking big losses

 

[JerkyJerry]

Well in my Hoi3 games, Commintern won a lot, because i was forced to play them.

Why forced?

 

[77Hawk77]

Well it depends if the Germans can beat the soviets because if they can then I think it will be hard for the allies to naval land in Europe without taking big losses

The fact that US was able to invade mainland japan and europe at the same time in 1941 is pretty extreme.

Why forced?

No one wanted to deal with the amount of organization (clickie for last game i played with people) you needed to have an effective soviet union, but we didn't like playing without all the majors being human so I usually played what other people didn't wanna play, no one ever wanted to deal with naval stuff either, so i played a lot of Japan and UK aswell.

You started off with more than a hundred divisions that you needed to reorganize, and even then probably had to build another hundred or so.

 

[Sir Garnet]

My bet is the Axis and Allies wear each other down enough so that they get taken down by the coalition of the patient Northern Lights faction along with the Trans-Latin League, supported by neo-Marxist RedAsia after it takes out the Super Friends, then it's a 3 way cage match depending on who snags the most spoils.

 

[JerkyJerry]

@77Hawk77

I hope you got paid!

 

[Beagá]

Yes

If only it was that easy to answer...

All things historical, the allies should win and soviets have manpower depletion and big war exhaustion. Now if that´s what SHOULD happen is an entirely different question. Because then how you build a game around the notion that US and UK will win the war... always? Hell, it´s debatable even if Germany should win versus France always...

 

[tog34]

The fact that US was able to invade mainland japan and europe at the same time in 1941 is pretty extreme.



No one wanted to deal with the amount of organization (clickie for last game i played with people) you needed to have an effective soviet union, but we didn't like playing without all the majors being human so I usually played what other people didn't wanna play, no one ever wanted to deal with naval stuff either, so i played a lot of Japan and UK aswell.

You started off with more than a hundred divisions that you needed to reorganize, and even then probably had to build another hundred or so.

True they did but I feel that a Germany that could solely focus on the western allies would be too strong. It would still be a good fight though.

 

[77Hawk77]

@77Hawk77

I hope you got paid!

After doing completing like 10 games with the soviet union, i began to develope a sick sense of satisfaction in spending 1936-1939 and about 2 hours of real time, trying to restructure everything.

Step one for me is to move everything to moscow, then start making rifle corps of 5 infantry divisions, gather my tanks into 3 division tank corps and seperate the mountain units into their own corps and send them to finland in a great hindsight invasion.