Who won?

[JerkyJerry]

In a live game with real people playing all the key countries

With all players being more or less equal in skill/ability/knowledge etc.

In your opinion what do you feel the win/loss ratio between the Axis & Allies will/should be?

 

[kviiri]

Depends a bit on how you define a win/loss, I'd guess.

 

[LordOfWar16]

Everyone has equal chance of winning. You just have to think about what you are doing. If you manage world tension as the axis really well, you will drasticly limit the allies in their options. If you play germany and go full on aggressive and kick the world tension to 100% straight up, you will find yourself in a rather uncomfortable position if you arent prepared yet.

Germany basicly decides when world war 2 is breaking out, so they can prepare beforehand as much as they can. Similar goes with Japan, which can influence WT quiet alot early on. If those two players work together and keep WT low, they might even be able to annex poland without the allies being able to join.

 

[GaerneIvar]

I think Comintern would win. Especially after every other nation suddenly experienced communist coups.

 

[JerkyJerry]

Kviiri = don't play coy with me! I posted it is a live human v human (v human v human v human etc) If you were in such a game (assuming you are human) and are of equal talent and ability as all the other humans...... wouldn't you kinda have a feel along with everyone else when the game is over even before the last soldier falls?

LoW16 = "Everyone has an equal chance at winning?" I'm respectfully disagreeing with that statement.

 

[kviiri]

Kviiri = don't play coy with me! I posted it is a live human v human (v human v human v human etc) If you were in such a game (assuming you are human) and are of equal talent and ability as all the other humans...... wouldn't you kinda have a feel along with everyone else when the game is over even before the last soldier falls?

No really. On one hand we're assuming that every country is played by a human, on the other hand we're assuming something even remotely resembling a normal WWII breaks out. You ask about the win ratio between Axis and Allies - even in AI games there might not even be such a war. Maybe it's Germany + USSR against UK, France and Italy. Maybe it's Allies and Axis versus Communism. And with humans, it's probably even more fickle.

 

[Zaku]

LoW16 = "Everyone has an equal chance at winning?" I'm respectfully disagreeing with that statement.

You can disagree, but that's how the game is designed. Every faction has more or less an equal chance of winning. This has been stated by the devs several times.

 

[JerkyJerry]

I should have been more clear
The players before the game starts agree that; Germany will begin WWII on September 1, 1939 by attacking Poland. The game would be played pretty much like it was IRL. All players like the historical aspect of the game and want to keep the same factions/alliances etc.

 

[Geronimo1]

I should have been more clear
The players before the game starts agree that; Germany will begin WWII on September 1, 1939 by attacking Poland. The game would be played pretty much like it was IRL. All players like the historical aspect of the game and want to keep the same factions/alliances etc.

If the game is played strictly historically with all the players of equal skill (start date, strategies, alliances etc) then surely wouldn't the outcome be the same as it was historically?

 

[JerkyJerry]

You can disagree, but that's how the game is designed. Every faction has more or less an equal chance of winning. This has been stated by the devs several times.

Well if the devs said it then I'm not challenging them! Every time I think for even a second that the devs are wrong it turns out that they are correct. So I will resist my normal urge to stick my foot in my mouth and this time agree to not to disagree (with the devs).

 

[LordOfWar16]

I should have been more clear
The players before the game starts agree that; Germany will begin WWII on September 1, 1939 by attacking Poland. The game would be played pretty much like it was IRL. All players like the historical aspect of the game and want to keep the same factions/alliances etc.

if you basicly completly railroad the game throughout then sure, the outcome will probably be the historical one. The axis still have a good chance of winning, if the german player isnt worse like you said.

Even in an historical setup the axis arent doomed to loose. If germany successfully pushes through the soviet union, it is very hard for the allies to recover from that and an naval landing is very hard. Germany will have alot of factories and resources available if the soviet union falls, so they could keep up with the allies together with japan and italy.
Locking down the gibraltar and suez straits will be probably the most important part for them to succeed. That way the axis can trap alof of the royal navy there if they arent carefull or lock them out, rendering an naval invasion of italy impossible.
Its also of course influenced by luck. It only takes one really good encirclement and the enemy might not be able to recover from it if you gain the initiative and start pushing.

 

[JerkyJerry]

If the game is played strictly historically with all the players of equal skill (start date, strategies, alliances etc) then surely wouldn't the outcome be the same as it was historically?

That was my question from the beginning Geronimo1.
I too was under the impression that the majority of the outcomes would be the same as RL.
However with the information I received that all factions are basically equal that is a much better for live games. Otherwise if you are going to lose anyway, why bother to show up? So the more I think about it the more it makes sense.

 

[kviiri]

The Allies will probably win, assuming a historical-ish course of alliances and events until 1940.

The Allies are dominant in resources and industry, having behind them a huge colonial empire and the vast industries of USA and later on USSR too. Their main disadvantage is position: two big players, UK and USA, are across the sea and can't react as well to what the Axis do. UK's might is also well divided across the globe, which leaves them relatively vulnerable compared to the more concentrated might of the USA. But they have a superior navy, superior resources, superior MP too probably.

 

[Bennyy]

Well, Germany currently has a higher GDP/capita and standard of living than the allies majors and the Russian Federation so really, in the long run, Germany did win.

#PlotTwist #LongTermStrategy

 

[kviiri]

Well, Germany currently has a higher GDP/capita and standard of living than the allies majors and the Russian Federation so really, in the long run, Germany did win.

#PlotTwist #LongTermStrategy

And Japan, wow - major economy, exporting tons of its culture. #culturalVictory

 

[Bennyy]

So we can agree that the real winner. Evri tiem. Will be Switzerland

gg wp

 

[Denkt]

This is very much dependent on what goal you are going for. There is quite some difference between merely surviving and world conquest for example.

Without any rules at all for the game, you will get crazy situations in multiplayer such as US Soviet alliance while Germany try a dockyard gambit to take out UK in 1940 while being allied to France.

 

[Mannstien]

Spoiler: I win

 

[Harada.Taro]

if not properly backed up by italian and japanese skilled players Germany will be trampled and steamrolled about 2 weeks after her initial attack against poland. To achieve victory on poland the reich will have to send in around 60/80 divisions while she will only be able to keep 20/30 divisions on the west front France and England would have amassed 100/130 divisions in France and would simply steam roll the left overs of german strength on the west side of the reich. What saved the Reich from an utmost defeat in 1939 was that none of the nearly 60 French division forming the maginot line and back up troops moved.... There was nothing in front of them to stop them but no French or English minister would have sent their troops first in fight for Danzig.

 

[Aries666]

Well, Germany currently has a higher GDP/capita and standard of living than the allies majors and the Russian Federation so really, in the long run, Germany did win.

#PlotTwist #LongTermStrategy

Literally took 10 seconds to work out this is incorrect.