Hey I don't know if anyone else has this question but I do. I know the benefit of marrying them off to another country but that comes with the risk of her children having claims to my country (i.e. I'm Denmark and I'm a pretty big country after having defeated Sweden). So what does everyone else do with them? I also had 3 sons so I'm sure that will become a problem but I don't give them any land because that way they can't get any troops together.
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If they had good stats, I used to marry them matrilinearly to courtiers with good stats to breed decent courtiers. Didnt work that well and was too much of a hassle, tho.
I'm not sure DNA is in the game, the devs said at one point it wasn't.
For good advisors, I usually find someone with a claim, which often means I can invite them to my court.
I marry my daughters to important alliance partners.
That means, as an independent, strong kingdoms that I plan not to attack.
And other direct vassals of my liege, for easier military conquest inside the realm as a vassal, or strong kingdoms I have no plan on attacking if I plan to attack outside my realm.
Alliances are very important, especially early in the game, when you often are a bit on the weak side.
On that note, it's worthwhile to marry your young daughters to old guys, because you might get lucky, and they have a single son, then the old guy dies, and you can reuse your daughter (invite her to your court again, you have a big positive modifier for it, and you can marry her off again, establishing a new alliance).
Sons I usually marry off to people with great traits, preferably genius, as that is inherited (for my heir, to ensure a decent batch of grandsons), and the non heirs, I marry off to get the biggest price I can, sometimes both can be arranged (the duchess of Toscana in the 1066 start is both a great selection of traits, young, fertile and has some fabulous lands, which your grandson can inherit, just remember she uses Gavelkind).
Funny how casual around gender issues one becomes when playing CK2
For good advisors, I usually find someone with a claim, which often means I can invite them to my court.
I marry my daughters to important alliance partners.
That means, as an independent, strong kingdoms that I plan not to attack.
And other direct vassals of my liege, for easier military conquest inside the realm as a vassal, or strong kingdoms I have no plan on attacking if I plan to attack outside my realm.
Alliances are very important, especially early in the game, when you often are a bit on the weak side.
On that note, it's worthwhile to marry your young daughters to old guys, because you might get lucky, and they have a single son, then the old guy dies, and you can reuse your daughter (invite her to your court again, you have a big positive modifier for it, and you can marry her off again, establishing a new alliance).
Sons I usually marry off to people with great traits, preferably genius, as that is inherited (for my heir, to ensure a decent batch of grandsons), and the non heirs, I marry off to get the biggest price I can, sometimes both can be arranged (the duchess of Toscana in the 1066 start is both a great selection of traits, young, fertile and has some fabulous lands, which your grandson can inherit, just remember she uses Gavelkind).
Funny how casual around gender issues one becomes when playing CK2
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I use my daughters with average to crappy stats to make Vassal alliances within my realm. Being a duke porking them out to Kings or Princes in other lands gets me nothing but a "you cannot call this ally into battle". lol My good daughters I try to bring in a high stat steward or diplomat with a matrilineal marriage but it is a longggg painful searching process because most of the time I get "wants a better alliance" or "joe blow is too high in the succession chain to marry your stupid daughtger". lol My sons I almost always specifically use to bring in breeding wenches with high diplomat and stewardship stats and decent traits with the occassional alliance marriage if it looks good and the females stats are decent enough. My plain ole jane court members I just grab breeding partners for marshalls and bishops. I have over 80 court members right now and haven't even finished the 100 year mark in this one.
This ^ really is the sad thing about being able to "see the stats" because players will exploit it to the maximum (including myself) to get the best court and councilors one can and wives and heirs. Just doesn't seem fair when you go around the map looking at what the AI has in those positions of councilors like 8's and 10's and even lower and you're sitting there with 17's and 20's and 25' and 27's lol The AI doesn't ever seem to maximize it's court or councilors even when it has them to use as I've seen some higher stat court members just sitting being courtiers when they could be a council member (at least in my court they would be.)
This ^ really is the sad thing about being able to "see the stats" because players will exploit it to the maximum (including myself) to get the best court and councilors one can and wives and heirs. Just doesn't seem fair when you go around the map looking at what the AI has in those positions of councilors like 8's and 10's and even lower and you're sitting there with 17's and 20's and 25' and 27's lol The AI doesn't ever seem to maximize it's court or councilors even when it has them to use as I've seen some higher stat court members just sitting being courtiers when they could be a council member (at least in my court they would be.)
I tend to marry them off to the most powerful man that will have them and is not horrible and about the same age.
Big plus if will give a useful alliance. I try not to 'game' the system.
I only marry matrimonially if the dynasty is about to go extinct.
If desperate for good alliance I will use betrothal when possible.
Big plus if will give a useful alliance. I try not to 'game' the system.
I only marry matrimonially if the dynasty is about to go extinct.
If desperate for good alliance I will use betrothal when possible.
Daughters are so much less important than sons (to me at least). I will marry them off to whoever gives me a matrimonial marriage (for weaker people with claims I want) or to whoever will provide me with a strong alliance. I've had really good luck with my daughters (contrasted by really bad luck with my sons), as they usually have good stats, and if you marry them off young, the people you are negotiating with will be extra happy.
For example, in the beginning of the game, one of the best people to marry off your daughter to is the King of France (who is still a underage child at the time, and provides you the 3rd strongest country upon his ascendance). As long as your daughter isn't a complete waste of air, he will marry her.
Frenchmen sure are desperate.
For example, in the beginning of the game, one of the best people to marry off your daughter to is the King of France (who is still a underage child at the time, and provides you the 3rd strongest country upon his ascendance). As long as your daughter isn't a complete waste of air, he will marry her.
Frenchmen sure are desperate.
90 percent of the time I just go for the highest ranking person who will accept a matrilineal.
Agreed. Gets me a lot of weird claims that I am sometimes tempted to just go off and have a fun war somewhere. If I got more plunder and such from sieges it would be completely worth it.
lol I treat my daughters like the commodity they were in the era they go wear i want and marry who i tell them too and i actually don't do Matrilinear marriages unless they're my heir. But I start off as a count and I try to Marry my way to the top in true Hapsburg fashion
To me, daughters are more important. I can expand my kingdom more reliably by using daughters. Gaining a title via sons is more time consuming, and there's a chance the title will not be passed on.
For daughters:
1. Marry them off to princes or kings for a strategic alliance that will help you win major wars.
2. Find a courtier with a title claim (duchy claims are especially good) in a foreign country and have a matrilineal marriage. Press claims and when you win, the territory will be apart of your kingdom. Rinse and repeat. (I conquered almost all of Norway within a few years as Ireland by doing this).
3. Find a courtier with excellent traits and have a matrilineal marriage to preserve your dynasty.
For sons:
1. Find a courtier with a title claim that can be passed down to your son.
2. Find a courtier with exceptional stewardship skills to expand demense size.
3. Fina a courtier with good traits.
For daughters:
1. Marry them off to princes or kings for a strategic alliance that will help you win major wars.
2. Find a courtier with a title claim (duchy claims are especially good) in a foreign country and have a matrilineal marriage. Press claims and when you win, the territory will be apart of your kingdom. Rinse and repeat. (I conquered almost all of Norway within a few years as Ireland by doing this).
3. Find a courtier with excellent traits and have a matrilineal marriage to preserve your dynasty.
For sons:
1. Find a courtier with a title claim that can be passed down to your son.
2. Find a courtier with exceptional stewardship skills to expand demense size.
3. Fina a courtier with good traits.
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Oooh. I did that once to unite two branches of my family. Their children inherited both realms.
This (the French connection) can backfire, as long as you like to keep good relations with your French son-in-law. French tend to get into wars a lot and they'll drag you into them...
How do you guys find out who will take the claim? Just going through each person individually in the list?
Stats I don't mind so much, but certain traits should be invisible, Deceitful and Ambitious for example. For characters with Quick or Genius or high intrigue stats, Deceitful and Ambitious should even appear to the player as the opposite traits.
I find it very difficult marrying daughters to anyone whose lands I wish to acquire, even if they are far down the succession tree; I have no desire or wish to get claims in random provinces around Europe, so I forego those. Finding those willing to agree to a matrilineal marriage is very time consuming and often fruitless, mostly I can do that only when inviting claimants.
Ditto for trying to forge alliances with other duchys when playing as a vassal within a large kingdom (e.g. France.) Regardless of the relations with those dukes, more often than not I will get the 'desires better alliance' penalty - even if the relationship is at 100. (Very much looking forward to the next patch to see how this changes!)
However, I also find myself really averse to marrying daughters to potential spouses if they have bad stats and traits even if it might benefit me. I know it's a game and I know my daughters aren't real, but I can't bring myself to inflict upon my imaginary daughters an imaginary life of torment with some grossly obese, hideously ugly duke just to further my own ambitions.
It's a weakness.
Ditto for trying to forge alliances with other duchys when playing as a vassal within a large kingdom (e.g. France.) Regardless of the relations with those dukes, more often than not I will get the 'desires better alliance' penalty - even if the relationship is at 100. (Very much looking forward to the next patch to see how this changes!)
However, I also find myself really averse to marrying daughters to potential spouses if they have bad stats and traits even if it might benefit me. I know it's a game and I know my daughters aren't real, but I can't bring myself to inflict upon my imaginary daughters an imaginary life of torment with some grossly obese, hideously ugly duke just to further my own ambitions.
It's a weakness.
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I marry my daughters to the most worthy man (rank and manly traits like strong and brave). It might come back and bite me in the butt, but as a father I want to provide for my daughters. I'm not exactly thinking about the potential risk I'm imposing on my great grandchildren. This method allowed five Kings to be cousins.
On a related note, if you are the King of England in the 1066 start and have a bunch of daughters to marry off and plan on expanding into France, do you marry the daughters to other French dukes so that they would ally with you in a war against France (would that even happen?) or would you marry them to surrounding dukes and kings to bring in an outside ally to the war?
Or do you just marry them in matrilineal marriage and hand out counties to son-in-laws so that they get inherited by your dynasty?
Thanks.
Or do you just marry them in matrilineal marriage and hand out counties to son-in-laws so that they get inherited by your dynasty?
Thanks.