Who is on this banner?

[Cziwochel]

Hi, I would like to ask you, who are persons on banners of "cradle of civilization" and "mandate of heaven", and eventually on "conquest of paradise" unless this is just a random man?

 

[Eviota]

Would help to have the images

Most of the times, Paradox takes pictures of real people, Matthia Corvinus/Hunyadi being the one in the nice armor, long hair and laurel around his head, but it can also be random character I guess.

 

[raikaria]

Hi, I would like to ask you, who are persons on banners of "cradle of civilization" and "mandate of heaven", and eventually on "conquest of paradise" unless this is just a random man?

I know CoP is a random [noble] person; simply because there are not many records of physical appearances of Aztec/Mayan/Inti rulers. It might be supposed to represent someone in particular; but at the same time; it's nowhere near as accurate as most other loading screen arts.

 

[Cziwochel]

Would help to have the images

Most of the times, Paradox takes pictures of real people, Matthia Corvinus/Hunyadi being the one in the nice armor, long hair and laurel around his head, but it can also be random character I guess.

Cradle of Civilization

Mandate of Heaven

 

[DeerMan]

CoC is the first Safavid Shah of Persia, Art of War is Catherine the Great of Russia, RoM Frederick the II "the great" of Prussia aaaand my knowledge stops here

 

[gigau]

Mandate of Heaven

Read somewhere on MoH release that it was the Empress dowager Xiaozhuang.

 

[Eviota]

Also look at the fourth picture of Empress Ci Xi here : https://www.google.ca/search?q=empr...zsHXAhUk3YMKHWj8CuoQ_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=637

Looks somehow similar but Gigau is probably more accurate

And for CoC I searched for Safavid Shah, some similarities : https://www.google.ca/search?biw=13...7k1j0i7i30k1j0i7i10i30k1j0i30k1.0.6772BImYSIE

 

[Cziwochel]

Thanks guys!

 

[Pintu]

I lived under the impression (blame reddit if i'm wrong!) that the two native guys should represent Hiawatha and Montezuma I (sadly i dont know which of them came with CoP)

 

[Kliwarrior]

Who is the samurai in the Japan (1.24) update?
I guess he could be someone like Nobunaga Oda , but it's quite hard for me to find someone similar (same problem I had with the Empress Xiao Zhuang )

Thanks in advance

 

[Kliwarrior]

Hi, I would like to ask you, who are persons on banners of "cradle of civilization" and "mandate of heaven", and eventually on "conquest of paradise" unless this is just a random man?

Hiawatha for CoP (see the Niagara Falls behind him )

 

[Shinkuro Yukinari]

Who is the samurai in the Japan (1.24) update?
I guess he could be someone like Nobunaga Oda , but it's quite hard for me to find someone similar (same problem I had with the Empress Xiao Zhuang )

Thanks in advance

It is Oda

As a fun trivia, Anime recreated him well

I have no idea either

 

[TenshiN]

Who is the samurai in the Japan (1.24) update?
I guess he could be someone like Nobunaga Oda , but it's quite hard for me to find someone similar (same problem I had with the Empress Xiao Zhuang )

Thanks in advance

Its obviously Nobunaga Oda. He holds a gun (pioneered some quite innovative gunnery tactics for Japan), wearing western-inspired armor (he was also known for his interest in western inventions and ideas). You can also find some similarities of his EU4 version with this painting.

Edit: His EU4 armor also bears the Oda clan crest

 

[Zephyrum]

I'm guessing 1.24's is Oda Nobunaga, because his army was well-known for innovative usage of the arquebus in Japan, which the character depicted holds. The appearance is also rather similar, but then again, it's kinda hard to identify people when the two distinguishing factors in a face for me are hair and eye, and that ponytail was sooooo dominant in a country where the eyes are sooooo squinty ._.

EDIT: Ninja'd by a minute...

 

[Kliwarrior]

Its obviously Nobunaga Oda. He holds a gun (pioneered some quite innovative gunnery tactics for Japan), wearing western-inspired armor (he was also know for his interest in western inventions and ideas). You can also find some similarities of his EU4 version with this painting.

Thanks guys

 

[Karlingid]

Its obviously Nobunaga Oda. He holds a gun (pioneered some quite innovative gunnery tactics for Japan), wearing western-inspired armor (he was also known for his interest in western inventions and ideas). You can also find some similarities of his EU4 version with this painting.

Edit: His EU4 armor also bears the Oda clan crest

Can we just point out for a second that while most European sketches looked awkward and not especially lifelike, a la like all of the loading screens, here we have a random Italian Jesuit who sketches so well that some people thought it was actually a photograph 200 years before cameras were invented?

 

[TenshiN]

Can we just point out for a second that while most European sketches looked awkward and not especially lifelike, a la like all of the loading screens, here we have a random Italian Jesuit who sketches so well that some people thought it was actually a photograph 200 years before cameras were invented?

I agree, yet it is the closest we can get for a base for his portrait. It also has some similarities with the Japanese painting of himself.

Paradox could certainly have based their version of Nobunaga on the versions used in numerous Japanese games on the topic, like Nobunaga's Ambition, but that doesn't really correlate with the art style they chose for their loadingscreens

 

[Karlingid]

I agree, yet it is the closest we can get for a base for his portrait. It also has some similarities with the Japanese painting of himself.

Paradox could certainly have based their version of Nobunaga on the versions used in numerous Japanese games on the topic, like Nobunaga's Ambition, but that doesn't really correlate with the art style they chose for their loadingscreens

Oh don't get me wrong- I was pointing out how much of an oddity it was to have such a realistic drawing- then again, it is blatantly clear that European sketching (as seen in the Nobunaga picture likely drawn postmortem with his relatives to confirm appearance) was not like their painting. Look at some of da Vinci's sketches such as Il Condottiere and one will instead see a focus on realism and fine detail. It's still not quite the photorealistic quality we see in the Nobunaga portrait, but it shows where such might've come from.

In any case, drawn from life or not, I believe the Nobunaga portrait we have is probably very accurate of his appearance all things considered.

 

[TenshiN]

Oh don't get me wrong- I was pointing out how much of an oddity it was to have such a realistic drawing- then again, it is blatantly clear that European sketching (as seen in the Nobunaga picture likely drawn postmortem with his relatives to confirm appearance) was not like their painting. Look at some of da Vinci's sketches such as Il Condottiere and one will instead see a focus on realism and fine detail. It's still not quite the photorealistic quality we see in the Nobunaga portrait, but it shows where such might've come from.

In any case, drawn from life or not, I believe the Nobunaga portrait we have is probably very accurate of his appearance all things considered.

Indeed! Art was so different in different parts of the world, and i find this variety to be awesome