Who has the most potential?

[Tim O]

What nation has the most potential for ahistorical expansion? I would say the United States since they are the lone major power in North America. One could argue that if you manage to survive as the CSA that is in itself ahistorical expansion but that's just semantical goobolegook.

 

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Originally posted by Timothy Ortiz
What nation has the most potential for ahistorical expansion? I would say the United States since they are the lone major power in North America. One could argue that if you manage to survive as the CSA that is in itself ahistorical expansion but that's just semantical goobolegook.

Maybe Austria, if you can beat back the Prussians and unite all of Germany, but with guidance from Wien.

 

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Re: Re: Who has the most potential?

Originally posted by Doc
Maybe Austria, if you can beat back the Prussians and unite all of Germany, but with guidance from Wien.

Somehow i have feeling they would have to beat back the russians, french and brittish too.. just watch how it went for napoleon when he tried to unite europe

 

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The smallest playable German minior.

 

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The U.S. there isnt anyone in thier hemisphere that can stop them. The only thing I can think of that would is the CW. Now if it plays out and you cant avoid it, then Canada or Mexico, or Texas suddenly has a whole lot of potential as well.

I can just picture all sorts of scenarios, North fights a two front war against canada and the south? Mexico allies with the North and invades into Lousiana?

I think the american situation in this time period, and its potential differing historical outcomes make it close to the top for ahistorical expansion.

I can say absolutely that I am going to attempt to make the South a world power and win the ACW, then move on Texas.

Odin

 

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Actually, I hope that the British and also the French keep an eye on the US. Although they didn't historically, if things were easier on the continent, they may have.

 

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In EU terms it's Russia. It can expand in four directions: China, Nordic countries, Eastern Europe, Middle East. And only Eastern Europe has a dangerous rival power, so it's only one border it has to guard. All US can do is colonise, German states are surraunded by two to three powerful and hostile countries, and UK probably will run out of manpower.

Hopefully, if immigration is modeled properly US will have the most potential. Although a lot depends on how US's colonisation rules are different from the rules for European powers. Will UK be able to create colonies that are as properous and tied to the central goverment as US states?

 

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What are we talking about here? Most ahistorical expansion as in largest territory aquired, or as in ratio aquired territory/real territory?

 

[TheF]

The British Empire!

Reconquer the US, take the Indies from the Netherlands, be more agressive in China, grab larger chunks of Africa.

 

[Zagys]

1. United States
2. Russia
3. Germany
4. United Kingdom
5. France

 

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Originally posted by Zagys
1. United States
2. Russia
3. Germany
4. United Kingdom
5. France

The order you give makes a lot of sense, but in game terms I am not so sure. Why do you place US before Russia? In real life terms it is, of course, correct. But in game terms Russia can expand into rich developed lands. US can expand into nearly desolate lands.

 

[Zagys]

Originally posted by starbright
But in game terms Russia can expand into rich developed lands.

This should be extroardinarily difficult. Who's going to accept a Russian dominated Germany or China.

 

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Originally posted by Zagys
This should be extroardinarily difficult. Who's going to accept a Russian dominated Germany or China.

On any parts of europe i agree, but take a look at what they took from china in real life... xixchiang, mongolia, amur basin, manchuria.. thats quite a lot

Then the whole central asia.. maybe even persia?

Ottomans are ready for grabbing, especially if you do some creative invading (and can protect sevastopol)..
like caucasus->acre (cutting empire in half), then make peace.
In next war taking middle eastern parts and some balkan land.
In the third war even egypt & constantinopel should be up for grabs

Other ideas.. Philippines from spain, Hawaii, California (already a fort present).

 

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Originally posted by Zagys
This should be extroardinarily difficult. Who's going to accept a Russian dominated Germany or China.

Judging from the previous games we can hope that at least Prussia and Austria will be able to stop Russia from annexing them, but China is cannon fodder. The main reason is that no serious attack can come from China. Russia can leave a weak border guard on that border, deal with the Western threats and then go back for China.

A version of this strategy also applies to some small Eastern Europe countries and Middle east. Unless AI will be able to conduct flanking manuvers on a large scale. Such as pinning the main Russian force in Poland and attack through Ukraine.

The only way to prevent such strategies from being dominant is to balance war waging with economic penalties. But then the economic system has to be very developed also. This would just trade one problem for the AI for another problem.

A system that keeps Soviet AI in check in HoI by making consumer goods requirements higher will make a game of that is boring. It only works in HoI because that game has a definate climax.

 

[Zagys]

Originally posted by The camel
On any parts of europe i agree, but take a look at what they took from china in real life... xixchiang, mongolia, amur basin, manchuria.. thats quite a lot

Then the whole central asia.. maybe even persia?

Do you consider these to be rich developed lands? I sure as hell don't.

Originally posted by The camel
Ottomans are ready for grabbing, especially if you do some creative invading (and can protect sevastopol)..
like caucasus->acre (cutting empire in half), then make peace.
In next war taking middle eastern parts and some balkan land.
In the third war even egypt & constantinopel should be up for grabs

Other ideas.. Philippines from spain, Hawaii, California (already a fort present).

So what are the other great powers doing when this is happening?

 

[Zagys]

Originally posted by starbright
Judging from the previous games we can hope that at least Prussia and Austria will be able to stop Russia from annexing them, but China is cannon fodder. The main reason is that no serious attack can come from China. Russia can leave a weak border guard on that border, deal with the Western threats and then go back for China.

Just how strong do you think Russia is at the start of the game?

 

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I would hope that nationalistic pressures from taking over a german area for example as Russia would cause more trouble than benefits.

As for recapturing the US, that should be a big no no. I don't want to sound too nationalist here but I'd say the US people were brought up to be the most freedom minded and hostile to the idea of not being a free democracy.

Conquering and holding the United States of America should be hell.

 

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Originally posted by Jaron

Conquering and holding the United States of America should be hell.

Hear! Hear!

By this time the US population was 'American' for a few generations by the most part (though there were a lot of immigrants, who were then in turn assimiliated in their 2nd and 3rd generation), and they wouldn't accept being a dominion as much as the generation of George Washington would.

 

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Originally posted by Zagys
Just how strong do you think Russia is at the start of the game?

Yes, it's very weak.

But so it was in EU, even more so in EU 2, still in 100 years any good player had the game in the bag. One thing that I really like about the idea of Victoria is that it is not too long and ends with a bang. EU 2 ended with a bang in Europe too, but the wait was too long to get there.

Russia may start out weak but it will get stronger steadily. Taking little bites out to the South and the West, until the Tran-Siberian railway can be completed and it can conquer China.

 

[jacob-Lundgren]

i might be going out on a limb as i have no hard facts, but i wold guess that anyone who tries to play this game, eu2 style-counquer everything that lives will fall flat on their faces. i could be wrong.... but i seriusly doubt it in this case. hopefully seriusly doubt it