Who else...

[Weedes]

Who else sets the number of 'advanced' and fallen empires to the amount of races in Star Trek that had FTL prior to Earthlings?

Are we missing any?

Advanced Start Empires (18):

Son'a - 'Antiquity'
Betazoids - 'Antiquity'
Trill - 'Antiquity'
Vulcans: 9th century B.C.
Romulans: Didn't split from Vulcans until after Warp Drive? Still counts either way I think.
Klingons: 9th century A.D.
Andorians - 1154
Vissians: 12th century A.D.
Talaxians: 1450 A.D. (possibly earlier) - Thanks to Horror In The Deep for this
Vaadwaur: 15th century A.D. (possibly quite earlier) - Thanks to Horror In The Deep for this
Cardassians - 1925
B'Saari - 19th century (at least) - Thanks to Horror In The Deep for this
Denobulans - 19th century (at least) - Thanks to Horror In The Deep for this
Antaran - 19th century (at least) - Thanks to Horror In The Deep for this
Coridan - 20th Century (at least) - Thanks to Horror In The Deep for this
Orions - 20th Century (at least) - Thanks to Horror In The Deep for this
Ferengi - 2000ish
Tamarians - 2050

Humans: 2067

Fallen Empire Types (5?):

Hirogen (Ancient civilisation that no longer cares about much of anything but hunting lesser species for sport)
Voth (at least 65 million year old civilization) (Thanks goes to spelhus for this one))
The Talosians - Worth being here?
The 'Founders' - Dead?
Iconians - Dead?

Crisis Types (2):

Species 8472
Borg: 15th century A.D.

 

[Me_]

Not me. Never seen Star Trek. Barely know what it is.

 

[TankRush]

Hmm... you, good sir, just gave me a new personal challenge (they should add an achievement for this too).

 

[Zavaleta]

Would be a tough start.

 

[Weedes]

Would be a tough start.

It is a long road getting from here to there.

 

[Weedes]

Not me. Never seen Star Trek. Barely know what it is.

Teehee

 

[spelhus]

You missed our beloved Dinosaur cousins.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Voth

 

[Weedes]

You missed our beloved Dinosaur cousins.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Voth

Oh, that is right! I forgot about that episode.

Thanks! Updated the main post.

 

[TheNitram]

Just cross your fingers that none of the ones close to you is a fanatical Purifier

 

[Weedes]

So, what about the Borg? Should they be counted as an 'advanced empire' or as a 'crisis event'? I recall one episode of Voyager, an old Vaadwaur who had been in stasis on a tomb world for a few centuries mentioned something to the effect of 'I remember the Borg, they only control a handful of systems'.

Gleaning that they might not have always been so aggressive...

Also, can something really be a crisis event if it has been a thing for the better part of a millennium and not been defeated or eaten/killed/assimilated everything?

 

[Horror In The Deep]

Talaxians

"The Talaxian race was an ancient one and they may have been warp-capable as far back as the 1450s, when their race was contacted by the Vaadwaur" ( from
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Talaxian)
Yep, species of our favourite moral officer are in fact has long and glorious history)

 

[Weedes]

That is right, of course, how could I forget! Nice work.

I think for Talaxians to consider the Vaadwaur as 'foolish' they certainly had to be at least warp capable themselves, otherwise they would be far more likely to think of the Vaadwaud as gods or demons or something of that ilk.

Main post updated.

 

[Horror In The Deep]

Nice finds!

Thanks)
Also, Denobulans

"Denobulans fought several wars against the Antaran species, the last of which occurred during the late 19th century.Since the Denobulans' last war with the Antarans was in the late 19th century, the B'Saari must have made contact before then" (from http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Denobulan)
So, I guess Antarans and B`Saari should be also added to the list

 

[Weedes]

More great finds.

Main post updated.

 

[Weedes]

We are past the halfway point of the max amount of empires on a huge galaxy map, things could get cramped with getting surrounded by too many heavy hitters early on.

It might be good practice to increase the maximum empires by the amount of species we are able to dig up on this issue, thus 30 becomes 48, etc etc.

Or keeping it to the same ratio of roughly 4 regular empires to every 1 advanced start empire via the default advanced empire recommendation of Stellaris 1.25, which makes it 72. Or the current version which is 6 regular for every 1 advanced, which is 108.

Though we risk performance issues, I already used 49 myself prior though without many problems, but then again I have a 4.6ghz I5 haswell cpu.

 

[Horror In The Deep]

After some more research:
Vissians

"The Vissians claimed to have developed warp drive around the 12th century" (from http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Vissian )
While it`s a claim, they were so much more technically developed (and socially jackass, but that is another story) than humans in the times of Enterprise, that we can safely assume it`s true.

And (probably ) Orions

This is a tricky question: "The Orions had been trading with Coridan for several centuries before 2155" (from http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Orion) "Several centuries" can mean many things, but surely mean more than two centuries) So, we are safe to assume, that Orions ( and Coridans) are warp-capable at least since 1950-s.

 

[Weedes]

Nice find yet again, though the Vissians were already listed, the Orions and Coridans are a great find.

Main post updated.