Who else hasn't seen the colonial powers have their colonies survive in North America?

[MachopPower69]

In my Bohemia game, Spain and Portugal literally have their colonies eaten by the Federations and are left with only a few provinces left while the tribes grow to be as big as Civil War USA. Am I the only one who see this happen? The only place that this doesn't happen is in the Caribbean and South America.

 

[Jespoke]

There are currently bugs that allow native federations to steal colonies and migrating tribes in their tribal land for free. And probably a ton more things, this is native federations in EU4 we are talking about, it would be unusual for them to not be bugged to hell. Just turn off Conquest of Paradise and be rid of them.

 

[necro84]

It's not only the bug with stealing land. Federations are very agressive and expand quickly. Recently in my game in 1500 there was 5 federations over 10 provinces in NA and small colonial nations very often lose the war. In 1600 one or two federations can be great powers

 

[Rainbow Mirage]

I see colonisers expand fine in NW in 1.32 (on VH difficulty though).

 

[Blizzrd33]

It's not only the bug with stealing land. Federations are very agressive and expand quickly. Recently in my game in 1500 there was 5 federations over 10 provinces in NA and small colonial nations very often lose the war. In 1600 one or two federations can be great powers

This is also my experience so far using 1.33 - a colonial nation forms and is often immediately dismembered by a native confederation. Most common in North America, haven't seen it as much in South America but may just have not been paying attention down there.

 

[MachopPower69]

This is also my experience so far using 1.33 - a colonial nation forms and is often immediately dismembered by a native confederation. Most common in North America, haven't seen it as much in South America but may just have not been paying attention down there.

Paradox has a habit on forgetting South America exists

 

[Nostalgium]

Paradox has a habit on forgetting South America exists

If North America's current state is anything to go by, that is a blessing in disguise.

 

[Ziul]

playing a big portugal game in ironmode actually (1620~).

The biggest problem from my point of view is not the size of the federations, it's the fact that they go on par on military tech really fast. They are actually something like 1 or 2 tech at max behind me so it's dangerous to tell a colony to go into a colonial war alone. It's not progressive at all and make them just skyrocket to you military tech as soon as they finalize their federation or something like that.

The fact that they also "proc" the tribal province with its ressource so we can see in advance what is the good here or here (particularly in north america) make me really want to let them do because my 4 colonies are in fact tanky but not smart because of the IA. They got troups not minds so i don't bother colonize or attack a federation now. And also they did not proc any gold ressource region nor any good i need haha.

 

[MachopPower69]

If North America's current state is anything to go by, that is a blessing in disguise.

No wonder NA is more colourful than SA; Portugal and Spain easily eat up SA compared to NA because their colonies get eaten up by totemist cannibals

 

[Slow Bathroom]

I've also noticed that they never accept enforce peace, even when they don't stand a chance at all.

 

[romothecus]

It's not only the bug with stealing land. Federations are very agressive and expand quickly. Recently in my game in 1500 there was 5 federations over 10 provinces in NA and small colonial nations very often lose the war. In 1600 one or two federations can be great powers

Agreed, it is not just this. I've seen multiple federations with 80-100k troops in the mid 1500s. Obviously they are behind in tech but they can easily crush any CNs, and even when European powers come in directly, they can't land enough troops to matter.

 

[romothecus]

There are currently bugs that allow native federations to steal colonies and migrating tribes in their tribal land for free. And probably a ton more things, this is native federations in EU4 we are talking about, it would be unusual for them to not be bugged to hell. Just turn off Conquest of Paradise and be rid of them.

This is really good point - what is even enabled by CoP DLC at this point? Native federations, native buildings, anything of note? But not the Inti/Nahuatl/Mayan stuff?

 

[Jespoke]

This is really good point - what is even enabled by CoP DLC at this point? Native federations, native buildings, anything of note? But not the Inti/Nahuatl/Mayan stuff?

Native federations, native buildings, tribal land, and tribal development at least. I think migration too? Inti/Nahuatl/Maya and proper colonization mechanics are all in El Dorado. So nothing at all outside of native tribes.

 

[raphi1985]

In my Bohemia game, Spain and Portugal literally have their colonies eaten by the Federations and are left with only a few provinces left while the tribes grow to be as big as Civil War USA. Am I the only one who see this happen? The only place that this doesn't happen is in the Caribbean and South America.

I have made the same observation. Tribes control Mexico, Louisiana and Eastern America nearly completely at around 1580 in my France-campaign. All three regions were originally colonized by Spain. Tribes seem to expand into some colonial land in Canada next. South America and Caribbean look normal.

 

[MachopPower69]

I have made the same observation. Tribes control Mexico, Louisiana and Eastern America nearly completely at around 1580 in my France-campaign. All three regions were originally colonized by Spain. Tribes seem to expand into some colonial land in Canada next. South America and Caribbean look normal.

I guess 1.33 didn't nerf the tribes hard enough; they literally did nothing at all

 

[Quintillus]

In my current (1.33) game, the only two long-term colonies in North America have been Spanish Canada and Florida. Spanish Canada remains a successful - if now rebellious - colony. Florida at once stretched from Florida to Connecticut, and at one point as far inland as Tennessee, but has seen much volatility, according to the Timeline. It was recently (1650s) entirely conquered by several federations, with the Kasihta Federation being the most powerful.

English Mexico has been the poster child for a not-worthwhile colony; they've been going bankrupt every five years and are seemingly always at war; they aren't now but have six separate truces in effect. If I were England, I'd just give up on them, but the English AI has instead spent all its spare manpower keeping English Mexico alive. Now they've founded English Columbia (in Baja California), which I don't have much hope for either.

At one point the Kasihta Federation was a Great Power (6th rank, IIRC), but they haven't embraced Manufactories yet and thus fell off the rankings in favor of Scandinavia and Naples.

I haven't been colonizing this game, so it's been interesting to watch; I'd never seen the AI get pushed back like this while colonizing before.

Although it has been annoying that occasionally one of the migratory North American tribes decided to move their capital every month, spamming me with notifications (I like to know when nations move capitals, but not if it's that often). I've also noticed that some colonial provinces are recording the "Adopted [home country] Culture" event about 7 times a year, which makes it hard to figure out the history of a province outside of the Timeline.

Also of note is that Abenaki formed the United States (confirmed via Timeline). According to the wiki, this isn't supposed to happen if they have an American technology group, but somehow they joined the Nomadic tech group. Mikmaq has done the same, and while the USA is a Tribal Monarchy, Mikmaq decided to become Steppe Nomads in the woods of Nova Scotia. My best guess is this happened via government reforms.

Conversely, in my 1.32 game (also one where I didn't colonize), the European powers colonized North America about as they typically do, until I abandoned the game in 1652.

 

[raphi1985]

I have to mention: I conquered England and PUed Spain and Portugal. The culture mapmode shows where they tried to colonize [1.33]:

 

[Darsara]

I know that a soon as my Brazilian colonial nation formed both Portiguara and the Mapuche attacked it. They refused enforce Peace so vassalized both of them; we'll see it that helps deters more attacks for now.

 

[flammable888]

There are currently bugs that allow native federations to steal colonies and migrating tribes in their tribal land for free. And probably a ton more things, this is native federations in EU4 we are talking about, it would be unusual for them to not be bugged to hell. Just turn off Conquest of Paradise and be rid of them.

It's sad people have to turn off a dlc they have paid for to get a better experience.