My guesses for the top 8.
1. Britain
2. France
3. Russia
4. Austria
5. Prussia
6. Belgium
7. Sweden
8. Ottomans
1. Britain
2. France
3. Russia
4. Austria
5. Prussia
6. Belgium
7. Sweden
8. Ottomans
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That is just a start up screen. They do not always put the most powerful nations on it, and besides that there is ten nation there not eight.
1835
1. Britain
2. Russia
3. Austria
4. France
5. Prussia
6. Ottoman Empire
7. USA
8. Belgium
1861
1. Britain
2. France
3. Prussia
4. USA
5. Russia
6. Austria
7. Ottoman Empire
8. Italy
1914
1. Britain
2. Germany
3. France
4. USA
5. Russia
6. Austria
7. Italy
8. Ottoman Empire
1835
1. Britain
2. Russia
3. Austria
4. France
5. Prussia
6. Ottoman Empire
7. USA
8. Belgium
1861
1. Britain
2. France
3. Prussia
4. USA
5. Russia
6. Austria
7. Ottoman Empire
8. Italy
1914
1. Britain
2. Germany
3. France
4. USA
5. Russia
6. Austria
7. Italy
8. Ottoman Empire
hmm I dont see the reason why people put belgium so high up on all lists, where they realy more powerfull than say China, Netherlands or Sweden?
Here are the nations I would put up as the Great 8, not that it really matters much
1-5- Big WW1 players
6. US- For the huge amount of expansion, number of conflicts and invovlement it has in the western Hemisphere. It, the UK, Prussia and Italy grew the most in this period, easily.
7. Ottoman Empire- Still involved in world affairs, and a major player in a lot of wars.
8. Sardinia- For the simple fact that it becomes Italy.
I would not include Spain or Belgium. Spain has a rather limited influence on this era. Their golden age is gone, while England's is ongoing and the US' is yet to start. Their empire falls, thats pretty much it.
Belgium... why? Yes they were an industrialized western European nation, but on the world scale, what did they do in comparison to the United States. And colonial their only real expansions were in the Congo.
1-5- Big WW1 players
6. US- For the huge amount of expansion, number of conflicts and invovlement it has in the western Hemisphere. It, the UK, Prussia and Italy grew the most in this period, easily.
7. Ottoman Empire- Still involved in world affairs, and a major player in a lot of wars.
8. Sardinia- For the simple fact that it becomes Italy.
I would not include Spain or Belgium. Spain has a rather limited influence on this era. Their golden age is gone, while England's is ongoing and the US' is yet to start. Their empire falls, thats pretty much it.
Belgium... why? Yes they were an industrialized western European nation, but on the world scale, what did they do in comparison to the United States. And colonial their only real expansions were in the Congo.
When you include other variables like population size, Belgium was certainly not more powerful than China, but I'd say it was definitely more powerful than the Netherlands or Sweden.
China's power was virtually nil though, they were just a market and source of resources for the Great Powers.
Well here's my opinion.
1.Great Britain
2.Russia
3.France
4.Prusia
5.Hapsburg empire(austria)
6.Ottoman empire
7.Brazilian empire
8.Sweden or Spain
1.Great Britain
2.Russia
3.France
4.Prusia
5.Hapsburg empire(austria)
6.Ottoman empire
7.Brazilian empire
8.Sweden or Spain
Man there is an awful lot of Anti-Americanism on these boards. The US wasn't a powerful country militarily for most of the nineteenth century, but that is because it chose not to be. It already was one of the economically more prosperous countries in the world, which is how power is measured in these games. Definitely not a global power (there was probably only one at this point) but definitely a regional one, and a large one at that. Just ask Alexis de Toquevillle.
For that matter, the most powerful country in the game, Britain, also was not that powerful militarily. They had a miniscule army after Napoleon. Huge navy, but not large enough to defend their empire. Theirs was an empire on a shoestring. Their power was economic and administrative. How they managed to keep such an empire together without a large military (It received 2% of gov't revenues at this time) is a great achievement and perhaps a miracle.
And Belgium instead of the US??? Come on. I love Belgium, but it's tiny in all respects compared to the US, even in 1835.
For that matter, the most powerful country in the game, Britain, also was not that powerful militarily. They had a miniscule army after Napoleon. Huge navy, but not large enough to defend their empire. Theirs was an empire on a shoestring. Their power was economic and administrative. How they managed to keep such an empire together without a large military (It received 2% of gov't revenues at this time) is a great achievement and perhaps a miracle.
And Belgium instead of the US??? Come on. I love Belgium, but it's tiny in all respects compared to the US, even in 1835.
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Because people don't generally rank it in the top 8 in 1836, when the Grand Campaign starts?
Well, ITALY of COURSE!
Oh wait, there was no Italy. What country am I going to play as?
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Oh wait, there was no Italy. What country am I going to play as?
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Originally posted by mvsnconsolegene
Well, ITALY of COURSE!
Oh wait, there was no Italy. What country am I going to play as?
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Sardinia off course!
Um...maybe because a lot of these people aren't American? Has it ever occured to you that their exists other nations with other mindsets that don't particularily agree with everything America does, or perhaps even stands for?
For myself, I enjoy living next to a very powerful and, on the whole, a very democratic nation - although I don't think any of the major democracies are perfect.
However, ... the question of the U.S. being a Major Power...hmm...I just don't know. They are definately the first nation I'm going to be playing...CIVIL WAR here I come!
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Originally posted by mvsnconsolegene
Well, ITALY of COURSE!
Oh wait, there was no Italy. What country am I going to play as?
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Not necessarily Sardinia-Piemonte i hope... i would like to unite Italy under the Napolitan banner and make Napoletano the official language of Italy. Napoli the capital of course...
* sings Santa Lucia... *
Hah! The Papal States of Course! Napoli, always my chief competition in EU2.
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So in how many bits and pieces was Italy back then? Somebody please refresh my memory... o
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If you notice Belgium only made it in the 1835 list for me. They industrialized quite quickly compared to the rest of the world, and that industrial power was certainly felt through out Western Europe in the early 19th century. As other nations industrialized Belgium became less and less important though because of their limited size. If I am correct the United States was still fairly agricultural society (like the rest of the world) in 1935, but it was not long after she began to industrialize at a very quick pace, although if you look at mine I did put her ahead of Belgium. The Ottoman Empire was definitely the hardest one to place on that list, and could arguably go up or down one or two spots on all of them. In 1935 the Habsburgs were still one of the most respected and powerful houses in all of Europe, and held sway over more than half of Central Europe. Prussia did not look overly intimidating until after her army reforms, and on a number of occasions was backed down by Austria. Her influence was limited by having a fairly consolidated Russia to her east, and Austria to her south.
By 1861 things had changed quite a bit. The Habsburgs where still considered number one in Germany, but this is only because no one had seen what the Prussian army was capable of. France was looking 10 times better than at the start. She had went from an unstable government surrounded by hostile nations to a prospering consolidated Empire with a royal family which looked like it might finally be able to bring her into a new era of prosperity. Napoleon had humiliated both Austria and Russia, and helped bring together Italy to check Habsburg Hegemony over Central Europe. USA too looks a whole lot better with a secure Northern Border and a defeated Mexico to the South, but internal dissension was running high and it was only a matter of time before things where going to fall apart. It could even be argued she should loose a spot because of how flagrantly European Powers ignored the Monroe Doctrine and attempted to set up their own Empires in North America, but I over looked that because of how easily she fixed the problem afterwards. Italy had just shaken off the Habsburgs and looked to have a bright future ahead of them, but the Papal problems and their limited amount of industrial power hampered their attempts to be more active or play a more powerful role while their internal problems made them all the more weak after the Sardinian Prime ministers death. Russia although expanding both industry and territory in this period was marked by dissension from disgruntled nationalities almost as badly as Austria. They had recently faced defeat by a coalition and their attempts to solve the "eastern question" seemed to be indefinitely forestalled.
By 1861 things had changed quite a bit. The Habsburgs where still considered number one in Germany, but this is only because no one had seen what the Prussian army was capable of. France was looking 10 times better than at the start. She had went from an unstable government surrounded by hostile nations to a prospering consolidated Empire with a royal family which looked like it might finally be able to bring her into a new era of prosperity. Napoleon had humiliated both Austria and Russia, and helped bring together Italy to check Habsburg Hegemony over Central Europe. USA too looks a whole lot better with a secure Northern Border and a defeated Mexico to the South, but internal dissension was running high and it was only a matter of time before things where going to fall apart. It could even be argued she should loose a spot because of how flagrantly European Powers ignored the Monroe Doctrine and attempted to set up their own Empires in North America, but I over looked that because of how easily she fixed the problem afterwards. Italy had just shaken off the Habsburgs and looked to have a bright future ahead of them, but the Papal problems and their limited amount of industrial power hampered their attempts to be more active or play a more powerful role while their internal problems made them all the more weak after the Sardinian Prime ministers death. Russia although expanding both industry and territory in this period was marked by dissension from disgruntled nationalities almost as badly as Austria. They had recently faced defeat by a coalition and their attempts to solve the "eastern question" seemed to be indefinitely forestalled.
I am not sure, at least three. Genoa, Papal States, Napoli...I wonder how they will simulate the merger?
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