Which sciences best complement History PhD?

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As the title suggests, if a historian were to study in a particular scientific field to complement his history degree, which field of science would be best? The historian's study in this particular field can be either self-taught, or involve actually getting a second degree.

Branches of science that I would think would be very useful for historians include, in no particular order:

1) Biology, especially genetics. The field of genetics has advanced so rapidly over the past few decades that it is becoming an almost indispensable tool for historians. Genetics offers the most objective means of determining and mapping past migrations, and is capable of decisively settling such heated historical topics as the Indo-Aryan expansion into India, whether or not ancient Egyptians were "black" and/or were similar to modern Egyptians, and the degree to which the Anglo-Saxon invasions of Britain involved assimilation of pre-existing natives as opposed to physical settlement of Germanic people on lands previously occupied by Britons.

2) Linguistics. I am not sure if this considered a "science" or not, but nonetheless, languages can tell us so much about a society and its past that a basic knowledge of linguistics should be required for every historian. For example, we are able to reconstruct the material culture, religion, and marriage customs of Proto-Indo-European people simply on the basis of comparing and contrasting current and historic Indo-European languages. This is a remarkable feat considering that we aren't even sure where or when exactly the Proto-Indo-Europeans lived.

3) Anthropology, more specifically physical anthropology and the related field of comparative osteology. An examination of skeletons from a particular time period can yield a great deal of useful information, such as frequency of warfare and violence (if many skeletons are found with fractures associated with sword or axe wounds, for example), and the diet and general nutritional health of a population (which can be discerned from average height of skeletons, as well as from the condition of teeth and other bones).

4) Chemistry and metallurgical sciences. A working knowledge of nuclear chemistry is useful for any historian, especially an ancient historian, given that so much of ancient chronology is dependent on C-14 dating. A basic knowledge of metallurgy is useful due to the great importance that metals had for human societies since the end of the Neolithic, to the extent that technological states are named after the dominant metal used (Chalcolithic Age, Bronze Age, Iron Age).


These are just a few that immediately came to mind. Do you agree with this list? What other sciences would be useful for a historian to be familiar with?
 

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That depends what your existing studies have been in. Not much point looking into biology/genetics if your existing studies have been on the British Rifle Volunteer movement. If they're on the topics you list then I'm sure they could lead to some interesting cross-disciplinary research.

From what you're saying I'm guessing you're into ancient history? In that case I guess it depends very much what you want to study within the period. Are you interested in population migrations? Developments in everyday life?
 

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Depends on the precise field of history they study, duh.

Although all the claims in this one...

1) Biology, especially genetics. The field of genetics has advanced so rapidly over the past few decades that it is becoming an almost indispensable tool for historians. Genetics offers the most objective means of determining and mapping past migrations, and is capable of decisively settling such heated historical topics as the Indo-Aryan expansion into India, whether or not ancient Egyptians were "black" and/or were similar to modern Egyptians, and the degree to which the Anglo-Saxon invasions of Britain involved assimilation of pre-existing natives as opposed to physical settlement of Germanic people on lands previously occupied by Britons.

... are things that a basic knowledge of history is going to make you very suspicious of. Not to mention that geneticists also tend to think that these claims are spurious, whatever gets put in bad science news-stories.
 

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For Ancient History, linguistics are much more than needed. So is Archaeology.
 

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To be honest your descriptions remind me more of archeology than history, in the context of university degrees.

But anyways, there's soo, sooo many things useful for history, it's hard to be sure what's THE most useful thing.

In a general sense I'd probably recommend something cultural - cultural anthropology, sociology, or something like politics ... or something more specific, like for example (not sure what it's called in English) Verwaltungswissenschaften; administrative science or whatever you want to call it, that's about the structure of organizations.

In an even more general sense I'd recommend philosophy. The content as such might be secondary, but the way it teaches to think is always very useful. Ad there are topics directly related.

In an economic sense I'd go for something "hard" and specialized. Economics was mentioned. Math, statics, whatever. There aren't many who will pick something like this and that makes it immediately a valuable combination.
You could also go for specializing professionally - go for didactics or pedagogics and puzzle out how to teach kindergardeners why Rome was the greastest thing ever. Go for "something with media" and design history online courses. Or make videos. Or something.
And in a similar way you can pick something to specialize thematically - like theater sciences if that's what you are interested in, or theology, or art or ... just so you have a clearly defined profile. Become the guy who knows best about native plays 400BC to 1200AD in Southern Sudan and Oceania. I mean, it sounds like a bit of a joke, but I think of the Japanese topic "nearby" and 11th century Imperial court and the importance of their damn poetry then, well, it's very nice if you have an idea about what the deal with those poems actually is.
Might not be necessary, but can be an interesting niche.

And to finish that thought as others have mentioned depending on what kind of history you deal with language is inevitable, so you'd need to decide whether you also need to be specialized in 57 different Southern Sudanese dialects, or just have general knowledge of the language, or need more general linguistic skills for a broader subject or just "language" per se.

...
Or just go for history only and spend the extra time on doing more history stuff. ^^
 
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For a nice alternative, try astronomy. Ancient peoples looked up as much as we did, and dating anything after the invention of writing by looking at recorded astronomical events sounds like a rathr interesting field of study.

Also very tough, since most of the things people actually recorded were falling meteorites rather than nicely recurring comets or planetary alignments, but, them's the breaks.
 

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I have a MA in History and a MSc in Computer Science from an university in Austria. Hence, I will say: "self-thought" doesn't count at all. I can only speak for my university and probably most of Austria, but the History degree was EASY. I had some computer science classes that required more work and brains than several history classes combined, yet I already had a background as developer and IT stuff and little knowledge in humanities. The hardest part of History was actually the Latin exam which is a prequisite. I know in Germany History is more difficult, because there - as far as I know - you need to be fluent in a language that is not English.
(NOTE: in German we use the word "Wissenschaft" for "Science" and "Humanities/Liberal Arts", hence the word "scientific" is used vaguely.)
I also knew a biology student (microbiology/genetics if I remember correctly), she now has a phd. She also did some linguistics and she basically said: what they consider as "scientific" will get you kicked out in my department. The standards for History are a joke for most other fields, e.g., for the Cold War there are like around 5 major interpretations and all of them make sense, yet in certain ways totally disagree with each other, when you get into this stuff you realize that there is a lot of bullshit going on. Not to mention certain dynasties of Historians in German speaking countries...

I would suggest courses in critical thinking, logic, rhetoric and philosophy, but since e-humanities could be the future: Computer Science with a data-mining focus could be interesting.
 

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I would go for plant biology or entomology. The amount of information that can be gained by looking at the plant and animal remains in guts, pots and middens is fairly extraordinary.

Otherwise nuclear physics has all sorts of interesting applications to dating of remains.
 

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depends on what you care about with your history PhD - hopefully by the time you've earned it, you've specialized in something - that something probably has some science connected to it, whether it's epidemiology, engineering, or economics.
 

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I would go for plant biology or entomology. The amount of information that can be gained by looking at the plant and animal remains in guts, pots and middens is fairly extraordinary.
History is not Archaeology.

edited: for emphasis.
 
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depends on what you care about with your history PhD - hopefully by the time you've earned it, you've specialized in something - that something probably has some science connected to it, whether it's epidemiology, engineering, or economics.

This, basically. Historians can study many varying topics and it is only after determining a topic that one can know which science will be most significant.

Though if I have to pick, I'd say that a basic understanding of economics is very important for the study of history.
 
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History is not Archaeology.

Archaeology is a branch of history. Indeed for non-literate cultures that no longer exist it is the ONLY form of history that you can do. Its role in supporting/refuting adding information to written records, even for literate societies with surviving records, is critical. Even if your particular branch of history is not directly dependent on archaeology you need to understand what is and isn't telling you.

Please try to edit your posts so they are more constructive and less wrong.
 
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Archaeology is a branch of history. Indeed for non-literate cultures that no longer exist it is the ONLY form of history that you can do. Its role in supporting/refuting adding information to written records, even for literate societies with surviving records, is critical. Even if your particular branch of history is not directly dependent on archaeology you need to understand what is and isn't telling you.

He was asking about a phd in History. In my country, there is clear distinction between a degree in History, Ancient History and Archaeology. Nobody denies that Archaeology is concerned about History, but when I was studying it was basically only mentioned as a joke, because loads of people - who had no clue - usually mix up History and Archaeology, something that was explicitly stated by my professors too.
I don't know, either it is a cultural thing in academia or you are missing the point. At my university, Salzburg, Austria, we make a clear distinction between the History and Ancient History, whereas the first one only requires Latin and the second requires furthermore Ancient Greek as prerequisite. Archaeology for "normal" History is just a side-discipline, like genealogy, etc. It is also a different field of study.
And yes, Archaeology is about History, but he is talking about a phd in History. He is not talking about a phd in Ancient History or Archaeology. And a phd is usually very specified, thus your recommendation would only make sense for Ancient History or Archaeology itself.

Please try to edit your posts so they are more constructive and less wrong.
When I make an error I stand by it, I only edit stuff, when a) I feel like it and b) when I want to add something. As far as I see it, the only person wrong here is you.
 

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History: 1. the branch of knowledge dealing with past events. 2. the record of past events, especially in connection with the human race.

Archaeology = archaeology: the study of any culture, especially a very ancient one, by digging up and describing its remains. [Gk: knowledge of ancient things]

definitions from the Macquarie Dictionary.

Archaeology is a field within the broader field of History. In the same way Biology is a field within the broader field of Science.

A reasonable PhD in history would be topic such 'land management techniques of the Gadigal people of the lower Blue Mountains area' In such a PhD the ability to use things such as lake sediment cores to compare the type and abundance of available food plants as well as midden heap analysis and gut contents of bodies would be necessary. Such a PhD would be undertaken as part of the Department of History of a university. Among the academics practising in the department I would expect to find a number of archaeologists. The Department of History would itself be part of the Faculty of Arts and would contain a number of units or centres dedicated to various specialist fields such as Ancient History or Genocide Studies. Depending on the organisational structure of the university in question the archaeologists would either occupy a separate unit within the Department of History or be divided amongst the units that their particular expertise is appropriate to; for example an archaeologist who studies Aboriginal midden heaps would be attached to the Australian History unit while an archaeologist who studies Babylonian burial sites would be attached to the Ancient History unit. At no point would you find a Department of Archaeology totally independent of the Department of History.

A PhD in History is like saying a PhD in Science - the PhD will be on a far more specific topic and may or may not include archaeology as part of its information sources, in the same way that a PhD in Science would be on a specific topic and may or may not include information from genetics as part of its information sources.

It is certainly likely that in non-English speaking nations the meaning of terms such as 'history' as used in academia may differ from how it is used in the Anglosphere but within the higher education systems of the U.S. England, Canada or Australia (the only nations I have enough familiarity with to comment) Ancient History is considered a branch of History in the same way as Modern History, French History and Pre-contact Meso-American History. A PhD in History could include ancient history as one of its possible subjects. Sadly my German is far too poor (unlike your excellent English) to make any comment upon how those subjects are divided with Austrian Universities.
 
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The Department of History would itself be part of the Faculty of Arts and would contain a number of units or centres dedicated to various specialist fields such as Ancient History or Genocide Studies. Depending on the organisational structure of the university in question the archaeologists would either occupy a separate unit within the Department of History or be divided amongst the units that their particular expertise is appropriate to; for example an archaeologist who studies Aboriginal midden heaps would be attached to the Australian History unit while an archaeologist who studies Babylonian burial sites would be attached to the Ancient History unit. At no point would you find a Department of Archaeology totally independent of the Department of History.

This is quite wrong. In most universities pretty much everywhere, archaeology is a totally separate department from history. In the few places where archaeology is lumped together with history, this is done either by short-sighted administrators who don't understand that these are quite different subjects, or because the university is too cash-strapped to support separate history and archaeology departments, or because it is going out of its way to foster interdisciplinary collaboration.

There are obviously some overlaps between history and archaeology, particularly for pre-modern periods or studying non-literate societies, but generally archaeology is institutionalized differently to history, has different training programs, and uses quite different techniques. If you're going to say it is "history" because it looks at the past, then you may as well include geology, palaeontology and cosmology too.
 
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Maybe it's indeed a cultural thing. Here's there the "faculty for cultural sciences" which includes archeology, but otherwise is about cultural anthropology - either in the general sense or for country-specific sciences like sinology, japanolgy etc. History meanwhile is part of the "faculty for historic- and cultural sciences", which is about all the variations of history - "old history", medieval history, didactics of history, history of science etc. and then the various themes around art (music, theater...) and history.

Although I gotta say that I wouldn't have expected archeology to end up with cultural sciences. I mean, "traditional" cultural anthropology has quite an obsession with "artifacts" so that kinda fits, but modern cultural anthropology is so far removed from that, generally, I don't see much much overlap. Maybe a historic thing. No pun intended, ha ha ...
 
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The field of Archaeology is about history, but is distinct from History, which is a narrower portion of the whole.
 
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