Which Purge type to use as a fanatic purifier?

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Neutering might not be a bad option if you put all the aliens together and have enough room to expand otherwise. You'll probably get more resources out of it in the long run.
 

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Nazis weren't exactly fanatical purifiers because to fanatical purifiers there are no-one between ubermenschen or untermenschen. You're either a person (their species) or not (anyone else) and if you aren't then they'll purge you.

Not entirely true. The problem was that nazis were waging war against the same species and as such had to compromise, since there is no entirely "pure" members of the same race. When you wage the war against the other species, interbreeding is not possible, hence comes the straight line between ubermenchen and untermenchen. So I don't see any problem saying that Fanatical Purifiers are space nazi.
Note that the Japanese and Italians, that were considered "Honorable Aryans". Definitley Xenophobic expanionists that did purging, but not exactly Fanatic Purifier.

EXTERMINATUS of course! The only way to be sure. (aka Armageddon bombardment stance)
We do not know what kind of effect that will ahve on the planet. Just some tileblockers? Or worse stuff like debuffs, habitability switch, etc.?

…How do fanatic purifiers feel about robots?

Like I have this visual of turning planet after planet into a tomb world with Armageddon bombardment and then using robots to colonize them. *chuckle*

At least until they develop that tech that they can raise those worlds to acceptable living conditions for their species, at which point they can start disassembling and colonizing with their own pops.
Right now Fanatic Purifier AI is tagged as "Robot Exploiter" (Robot Slaver). That should give us some guideline of how they view robots.
Also consider the Krikkit from Hitchiker Guide to the galaxy. As close as you can get to a Fanatic Purifier. Totally used Robots.

The way this could work is simple: They consider the Robots thier Children (as much as thier literal children). The game might need a way to differentiate between Robot pops of different Origins. FanPury should either purge those too (even if thier Robots do not like that) or have a way to convert them.

...can you eat the robots, too?
Wiz actually answered that in the Q&A after the lifesteam from 24th: Nope, Robots can not be processed.

  • Extermination: The species is systemically killed off by any means available. This is the fastest form of purging, but pops subject to it are unable to produce any resources while they are busy dying off.
  • Forced Labor: The species is placed in camps and forced to do hard labor under brutal conditions with inadequate food and shelter, effectively working them to death. Pops doing Forced Labor will be killed off more slowly than through extermination, but will continue to produce minerals, food and (at a significant penalty) energy.
  • Processing: The species is processed into food for the consumption of other Pops. Pops being Processed generate a fixed amount of food and die off at a fairly fast pace, but cannot be put to use producing any other resources.
  • Neutering: The species is prevented from reproducing through chemical castration or biological modification, eventually dying off naturally. Neutered Pops continue to function normally and may even be given a high standard of life, but have a large penalty to their happiness. The speed at which they die off varies based on the species' natural lifespan, but is typically very slow.
Extermination or Processing if I can colonise/move pops to the planet.
Forced Labor if thie planet is build up but not directly habitable for my species. No reason to not terraform it first.
Neutering never. The whole purpose of Neutering and Displacement is to avoid Diplomacy penalties for purging. And FanPury are all about not having Diplomacy.
 

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The only problem with 'processing' I could see is 'Do you really want that xeno to be a part of you?'
Who knows what kind of parasites, diseases, microbes etc you could be ingesting by consuming the xeno.

But in all seriousness, yeah my guess is they might all offer varying levels of unity for purging so you'll need to decide if you want the effect or the unity more.

The only reason I could see 'Neutering' still being an option, is if your people were sadists and wanted to crush their spirits and watch them suffer.
"just cook the shit" - Bruce Willis
 

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Game lack two purge types:

- Put entire purged population into test chambers, killing them in testing process, to boost science (GlaDOS style)
- Purged population is put into arenas to fight for their life , boosting purgers happienes (Rome, genoosians)
 

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I see no problem with eating them, they are nothing but animals, and animals are food. It just happend that this breed of animals got their hands an laser weapons somehow and doesn´t accept his place as animals any more. Not eating them if they taste fine would mean to accept them as something better.

Fanatical Purifiers are not against any form of xeno live (otherwise they had to bomb every other planet with plants on it into a molten Rock), they are only against intelligent xeno live.

I can´t really imagine Fanatical Purifiers using Neutering, Purging Blorg would need around 150 years, that´s not a purge anymore, that´s just normal slavery.

But in the End it´s mostly about role playing, their are already enough strange ethics on this world, I can´t even imagine how it looks like on other planets with a complete different history.
 

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I see no problem with eating them, they are nothing but animals, and animals are food. It just happend that this breed of animals got their hands an laser weapons somehow and doesn´t accept his place as animals any more. Not eating them if they taste fine would mean to accept them as something better.

Fanatical Purifiers are not against any form of xeno live (otherwise they had to bomb every other planet with plants on it into a molten Rock), they are only against intelligent xeno live.

I can´t really imagine Fanatical Purifiers using Neutering, Purging Blorg would need around 150 years, that´s not a purge anymore, that´s just normal slavery.

But in the End it´s mostly about role playing, their are already enough strange ethics on this world, I can´t even imagine how it looks like on other planets with a complete different history.
If think they could neuter their own subspecies.
 

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I'll make the unusual case.

Forced labor if your neighbors live in habitable worlds, neutering if your neighbors live in uninhabitable worlds.

You've got military bonuses, you're going to be conquering your neighbors and making enemies much faster than you are growing your own population and spreading it out. So you want those minerals to build new space ports on recently conquered planets and then build those new ships. Plus a slow burn maximizes the length of your unity bonuses.

If their planet is palatable to your own people, you work that alien scum to death and as some elbow room opens up you transfer in your own people to take over that existing infrastructure.

What if their planet isn't habitable? Well, it's likely going to end up completely abandoned. You see, terraforming is well worth it, but expensive, too expensive to do en masse if you're also supporting a galaxy conquering fleet. After just a few successful wars you're going to end up with more planets to terraform than you can afford to work. So if you have more planets to terraform than you know what to do with anyway, why not get 75 to 150 years of work out of those eunuchs?
 
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- Put entire purged population into test chambers, killing them in testing process, to boost science (GlaDOS style)
- Purged population is put into arenas to fight for their life , boosting purgers happienes (Rome, genoosians)
Purge as FanPury gives you something more valuable then science - Unity. That allows you more Tradition and ascension Perks (wich can buff science too).
"Fighting for thier Life" could be one interpretation of Domestic Servants Slavery. Allowing that purge style makes no sense - you would loose the bonus eventually.
 

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Neutering plus Chemical bliss quality of life.

Cruelty towards aliens is like cruelty towards animals-perhaps not wrong, per se, but certainly unbecoming when embraced over enthusiastically. It's not the fault of the xenos that they must die=that would imply they possess some sort of moral agency, after all-so those that accept their fate shouldn't be made to suffer unduly.
 

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I'd say that since Armageddon Bombardment is only available to Fanatic Purifiers, it has to be pretty bad.
After all, it's called Armageddon. ;)
It can also be unlocked through the domination(?) tradition.

But yes. The correct form of purging? From orbit.

That said, I an fully intending to see how far you can push the war system using the Armageddon bombardment. Do you get a lump sum of war score for entirely exterminating all life on a planet? Do you lose war score because you're not actively blockading an enemy planet any more?

It would be pretty hilarious if that was the case, because then you could methodically exterminate entire massive empires in a single war simply by blasting their planets one by one. Quicker than wargoal purging them three at a time every 10 years or so.
 

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It can also be unlocked through the domination(?) tradition.

But yes. The correct form of purging? From orbit.
Used to be. Apparently what it means has since changed to a pure FanPury thing, rather then a roughly militarist/expansionist thing.

It would be pretty hilarious if that was the case, because then you could methodically exterminate entire massive empires in a single war simply by blasting their planets one by one. Quicker than wargoal purging them three at a time every 10 years or so.
There is still the mater of Unity gain. It would be easy to simply let Armageddong Bombardment not produce Unity. While purging them the hard way does.
Same way with Xenophobe/Militarist atraction - you get extra for purging hte hard way, nothing or even negative fur purging the easy way.

With the Banks Mechanics there are so many ways to incentivise playing a certain way it is awesome.
 

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Honestly any of them except neutering, I can't imagine Fanatical Purifiers being patient enough to wait for a pop to die of old age.

Couldn't there be "benevolent fanatical purifiers"? :D
 

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Couldn't there be "benevolent fanatical purifiers"? :D
Not really? The idea that other intelligent species are a cosmic mistake isn't something that is well suited to benevolence.