Which new countries do you want to see next with focus tree

[Nobody-]

I'm not particularily great with history, but what interesting things can you give Mexico? I don't really know.

Personally I would love to see the Phillippines! Just because it brings attention to a region that rather lacks it, it in my opinion. And they would have tons of possibilities to interact with the new navy mechanics. They can have interesting decisions too. Support USA historically or try to anchor themselves with Japan and throw out the USA to help realize the Asian dream of owning the Pacific. Part of what made the Pacific Theatre so boring for me was that the navy combat just did not feel very engaging. This expansion can totally fix that problem. They might even serve as a vital role in the downfall of the US.

 

[Snagletooth]

I don't know why people so easily dismiss the lower Amercia's. Throughout the 30's and even during the war South America was thorn in Roosevelt's side. There were several border fights going on during the 30's that were close to full blown wars. The US's part in the early years was to try and keep the lower America's out of the war. Peru and Argentina, and to some extent Brazil, were perilously close to siding with the Axis and Japan.

Roosevelt had expend a great deal of politcal power to reel in South America, and a result, essentially had to bribe them to sit still, even amongst themselves. A large chunk of the late 30's an 40's were spent buying resources we didn't need (to keep the Axis from buying it) and sending military gear, lend leasing and training to these countries. Border conflicts still flaired up from time to time as neighbors got worried about one getting more military gear then they were getting.

While Germany and Japan quickly got cut off from being able to influence South America, the Soviets were under no such restrictions. Tney made huge strides in several nations that only became apparent in the late 50's through the 80's.

There is a lot Paradox can do in Central and South America to keep the US, and really Europe and Japan to lesser extent, pretty busy in the build up years trying to herd cats in the lower states instead of getting it all instantly with just a couple focuses.

Central and South America wasn't a walk in the park for Allies. Very real threats of them flipping over kept Roosevelt on his toes.

 

[him_15]

Spain and Turkey along with the remaining major are probably the community's favourite are will see change for the next DLC IMO, then there will probably be a Scandinavia, Middle East and South America DLC afterwards.

 

[Nobody-]

I don't know why people so easily dismiss the lower Amercia's. Throughout the 30's and even during the war South America was thorn in Roosevelt's side. There were several border fights going on during the 30's that were close to full blown wars. The US's part in the early years was to try and keep the lower America's out of the war. Peru and Argentina, and to some extent Brazil, were perilously close to siding with the Axis and Japan.

Roosevelt had expend a great deal of politcal power to reel in South America, and a result, essentially had to bribe them to sit still, even amongst themselves. A large chunk of the late 30's an 40's were spent buying resources we didn't need (to keep the Axis from buying it) and sending military gear, lend leasing and training to these countries. Border conflicts still flaired up from time to time as neighbors got worried about one getting more military gear then they were getting.

While Germany and Japan quickly got cut off from being able to influence South America, the Soviets were under no such restrictions. Tney made huge strides in several nations that only became apparent in the late 50's through the 80's.

There is a lot Paradox can do in Central and South America to keep the US, and really Europe and Japan to lesser extent, pretty busy in the build up years trying to herd cats in the lower states instead of getting it all instantly with just a couple focuses.

Central and South America wasn't a walk in the park for Allies. Very real threats of them flipping over kept Roosevelt on his toes.

It sounds like an easy way for Axis to get overpowered though. If USA's ahistorical route goes Communist or Fascist then the Allies would really get screwed, I think.

 

[Snagletooth]

It sounds like an easy way for Axis to get overpowered though. If USA's ahistorical route goes Communist or Fascist then the Allies would really get screwed, I think.

US is OP already. It's why they gimp it so hard till mid game. If US goes off track and join Axis or Comintern the Allies are SOL as it is now.
Hell, most games the wars over 40 or 41, before the US even gets in it.

If US has to play whack a mole in the lower states it gives the player something to do during the build up instead of just building endless factories and docks. If anything it could make the US far less OP, as the US was in the first couple years of the war, instead of coming out of the box at the 1940 election ready to splat everyone in the game.

How OP would US player be in 41 if they had to spend most of it's factories on resources it didn't need just to keep them from going to the Axis? How OP would US be if it had to spend what little PP it had just to keep enough favor with the lower states to keep them from going over to the Axis? You have a pretty weak US in 41 in game....as it should be.

US had a lot of resources tied up in the lower states until late into '43 when it became clear Germany and Japan could no longer wield any influence. Having just come out of Colonialism, many of those nations were strongly nationalistic and were not happy about the US trying to pull muscle on them.

The lack of involvement in the war isn't insignificant. It's one of the most signifigant things of the war. Keeping them out really stretched the US, and if they had failed and had to get involved in a war down there, then WWII would have lasted a couple more years easily.

 

[Rebel1776]

Same color Rumor...

Opposite sides....Atlantic....Ideology....

"Close" to both nations...

It.....could be Venezuela....I never considered it until I read it....but possible...

 

[Fulmen]

The problem with Finland and HOI has always been one of game scale. Finland is hard to represent well at the scale of HOI, especially in a system with a very simplistic logistical model. A proper portrayal of the Winter War especially, though the Continuation War as well, should probably not be on higher than a battalion level, though even smaller units representing ski patrols harassing Russian supply lines etc. would also be a good fit.

There is no way to get Finland to perform to historical levels on the scale in which HOI is played. To avoid them just getting flattened, one would have to buff them to silly degrees that are not really justified. Part of this is also another weakness in HOI. The game does not (and has not in previous versions) ever forced the player to keep realistic numbers of troops in less active theaters. Any Russian player is just going to dogpile Finland with triple the historical forces, which were already numerically overwhelming.

The overwhelming majority of combat in both the Winter and Continuation War was on a scale HoI simulates, often involving tens and even hundreds of thousands of men in one battle.

HoI4 does not and with currently existing mechanics cannot simulate the vast quality differences in experience, leadership, doctrine and morale between the Finns and Russians in not just the Winter War, but also the Continuation War as well.

It gets even far worse when you look at the air war in both wars. Literally a handful of Finnish fighters, most of the time outdated or even hopelessly obsolete, against thousands of superior fighters and bombers, yet the win to loss ratio massively favoured the Finns throughout all of WW2. This is something I doubt HoI4 will ever replicate.

Another issue, in particular reference to the Winter War, is that weather penalties are lackluster in HoI4 and there is no difference between a military largely adapted to extreme conditions such as -40°C and two metres of snow, to one that isn't.

 

[sol-inviticus]

(French) Indochina. Obviously this requires it become its own tag but I feel like that's inevitable once the France rework comes around whenever that is.

SE Asia in general could use a rework. Given the amount of fighting that actually happened in it the independent nations in it dont have much flavor. Thailand should definitely have its own focus tree given that it actually participated in the war.

 

[iBlessTheRains]

#SlovakiaFocusTreeGang

 

[pekkegnito]

From a logical progression, I would bet on a Spanish focus tree. Once upon a time, Spain was rightly called "The Empire with the Bloody Footprints" and a credible rival to the seafaring might of the British. I can totally see a branch of the tree going on that direction, putting Franco in command of that track, more or less similar to the "Kaiserreich" route of the Germans.

Anothe two tracks come to mind, one that supports the Communist elements, and goes straight agaist the above path, and another that (maybe) avoids the civil war by purging the communist elements and conserving the monarchy, appeasing Franco's faction, but with some heavy penalties to stability and war support.

From a purely selfish viewpoint, I want a Cuban focus tree! I wanna take my country on a widespread tour of global domination! (Although I doubt this one will even be viable, Cuba has nothing going for it save its large deposits of chromium. FFS, they get less homegrown factories than they get from trade deals)

 

[SaydaNeen]

From a logical progression, I would bet on a Spanish focus tree. Once upon a time, Spain was rightly called "The Empire with the Bloody Footprints" and a credible rival to the seafaring might of the British. I can totally see a branch of the tree going on that direction, putting Franco in command of that track, more or less similar to the "Kaiserreich" route of the Germans.

Anothe two tracks come to mind, one that supports the Communist elements, and goes straight agaist the above path, and another that (maybe) avoids the civil war by purging the communist elements and conserving the monarchy, appeasing Franco's faction, but with some heavy penalties to stability and war support.

From a purely selfish viewpoint, I want a Cuban focus tree! I wanna take my country on a widespread tour of global domination! (Although I doubt this one will even be viable, Cuba has nothing going for it save its large deposits of chromium. FFS, they get less homegrown factories than they get from trade deals)

Spain yes, but maybe waiting to do South America at the same time for a Spanish Colonial tree. Turkey and the Middle East I've always said would be an interesting theater to see some love.

 

[pekkegnito]

Spain yes, but maybe waiting to do South America at the same time for a Spanish Colonial tree. Turkey and the Middle East I've always said would be an interesting theater to see some love.

Why not a "Rebuild the Colonial Empire" branch for the Spaniards? That would be a) an excellent way to bring both Spain and the South Americas into the game, and b) a way to push the US into action, since this would go squarely against the Monroe Doctrine. The US and Spain can have their own war, largely independent from the rest of the world, and the Axis powers may choose to support Spain through lend-leases and the like, to keep the US looking away from the larger conflict in Europe.

 

[Duke_Dave]

Why not a "Rebuild the Colonial Empire" branch for the Spaniards? That would be a) an excellent way to bring both Spain and the South Americas into the game, and b) a way to push the US into action, since this would go squarely against the Monroe Doctrine. The US and Spain can have their own war, largely independent from the rest of the world, and the Axis powers may choose to support Spain through lend-leases and the like, to keep the US looking away from the larger conflict in Europe.

You can't defeat the US as Spain. Especially if fuel is in the game. Also a Spanish Civil war after a DLC will be much longer I presume.

 

[Lord Hoosier]

I expect we get Norway, Belgium, and either DEI or Phillipines. And we already know about Netherlands.

 

[James Hale]

The overwhelming majority of combat in both the Winter and Continuation War was on a scale HoI simulates, often involving tens and even hundreds of thousands of men in one battle.

HoI4 does not and with currently existing mechanics cannot simulate the vast quality differences in experience, leadership, doctrine and morale between the Finns and Russians in not just the Winter War, but also the Continuation War as well.

It gets even far worse when you look at the air war in both wars. Literally a handful of Finnish fighters, most of the time outdated or even hopelessly obsolete, against thousands of superior fighters and bombers, yet the win to loss ratio massively favoured the Finns throughout all of WW2. This is something I doubt HoI4 will ever replicate.

Another issue, in particular reference to the Winter War, is that weather penalties are lackluster in HoI4 and there is no difference between a military largely adapted to extreme conditions such as -40°C and two metres of snow, to one that isn't.

This.

@podcat - I really wish you'd try to do something about this, and extreme weather penalties definitely need to be much harsher (at least for the player; you could maybe nerf the penalties for the AI).

Currently there isn't really much of a reason to have historical campaigning seasons.

 

[El Overlord]

You can't defeat the US as Spain. Especially if fuel is in the game. Also a Spanish Civil war after a DLC will be much longer I presume.

I beat the US with Spain in normal difficulty with the mod "No pasaran". It is not impossible, it is very complicated (I had to turn the US into fascists to isolate them from the Allies, and the war began in 1947), but it is not impossible.

Spain would have to annex Portugal, ally with a large part of Ibero-America (especially Mexico), create a powerful terrestrial army, and take it to the Mexican border before starting the war (which was what I did).

 

[RogalDorn]

Italy is in desperate need of a redo. And since they are the tutorial nation it always seemed inexplicable that they have had to wait this long since it's most peoples first experience with the game. I fully expect to see Italy, Spain, Greece, and Turkey bundled together in a future DLC.

 

[SaydaNeen]

Italy is in desperate need of a redo. And since they are the tutorial nation it always seemed inexplicable that they have had to wait this long since it's most peoples first experience with the game. I fully expect to see Italy, Spain, Greece, and Turkey bundled together in a future DLC.

I do think that is a good idea and logical at that. Following a naval rework Italy *should* be reworked as they were UK's biggest naval threat at the outbreak of WWII. But the Comintern leader is in need of some love. Greece and Turkey at the same time makes sense. Land, border and island disputes are big catalysts. Not only that but I believe Mussolini did say he wanted to restore the Roman Empire. Claims on territory or a union tree with Greece and Turkey could be cool. Also trees consisting of Roman Empire for Italy, Byzantine Empire for Greece and Ottoman Empire for Turkey.

 

[sol-inviticus]

Actually now that I think about it Ethiopia would be a really cool country to get a focus tree. I certainly wouldnt say its a priority or anything but defeating Italy as Ethiopia, while really difficult, is still rather doable. A focus tree that's essentially entirely a What If scenario about an Ethiopian military victory followed by rapid modernization would be neat and a reward for pulling off a pretty difficult task because as it stands in vanilla the only thing you can do after driving the Italians to the sea is parking divisions on the coast to prevent a naval invasion and wait for WW2 to start so you can become a very minor player.

Obviously this would have to follow an Italy rework that makes it so that the entire political branch of the Italian tree isnt locked out if they fail to annex Ethiopia.

 

[Prinz Eugen]

From a purely selfish viewpoint, I want a Cuban focus tree! I wanna take my country on a widespread tour of global domination! (Although I doubt this one will even be viable, Cuba has nothing going for it save its large deposits of chromium. FFS, they get less homegrown factories than they get from trade deals)

I cannot but agree with you, since my PhD thesis was on Fascism in Cuba, and therefore I studied the late '30s-early '40s period of Cuban history.