Which nations are you going to play?

[unmerged(8913)]

Huh? AFAIK Damascus was lost to Byzantium in 635....

Perhaps he's thinking of Antioch....

But yes, I think his general idea is right. The time period just before the start of the game was when Byzantium was at the height of their power (at least, since Heraclius, anyway ).

 

[ErmineClad]

Im definately gonna be Byzantium, i dont care much about the other nations.

Byzantium would be my second choice after Bretagne. If the game is good enough though I will play them all eventually.

Bretagne
Byzantium
Irish
Castilla

are the ones that come immediately to mind.

 

[lucaluca]

Yes, I was thinking of Antioch... the Ecumenical Patriarchate is still there
And however I'm sure that before Manzikert (1071) the byzantine empire was at maximum height (after the horrible centuries of iconoclastism); and, by the way, I defenitly believe that byzantium wasn't a feudal state, so I hope that in the game this feature will be present.

 

[unmerged(12680)]

Yes, I was thinking of Antioch... the Ecumenical Patriarchate is still there
And however I'm sure that before Manzikert (1071) the byzantine empire was at maximum height (after the horrible centuries of iconoclastism); and, by the way, I defenitly believe that byzantium wasn't a feudal state, so I hope that in the game this feature will be present.

If it isn't a feudal state it won't be playable AT ALL, so I at least certainly hope that it is...

 

[Havard]

Yes, I was thinking of Antioch... the Ecumenical Patriarchate is still there
And however I'm sure that before Manzikert (1071) the byzantine empire was at maximum height (after the horrible centuries of iconoclastism); and, by the way, I defenitly believe that byzantium wasn't a feudal state, so I hope that in the game this feature will be present.

Antioch should be playable in the 1187 scenario...

 

[MRAKoris]

Antioch should be playable in the 1187 scenario...

So Jerusalem and Antioch are playable, right? What about Tripoli, Edessa and let say Jaffa? Can they be playable? Or better WILL they be playable?

 

[Nikolai II]

So Jerusalem and Antioch are playable, right? What about Tripoli, Edessa and let say Jaffa? Can they be playable? Or better WILL they be playable?

Those crusader kingdoms that existed in 1187 should be playable (unless monastic orders)

 

[Havard]

So Jerusalem and Antioch are playable, right? What about Tripoli, Edessa and let say Jaffa? Can they be playable? Or better WILL they be playable?

The problem with e.g. Edessa is that it was already annexed in 1187 and not yet created in 1066...

 

[MRAKoris]

The problem with e.g. Edessa is that it was already annexed in 1187 and not yet created in 1066...

So here's what i actually led up to - will the player be able to create or will there be any chance that Edessa will be able to appear on its own on the map?

 

[unmerged(8913)]

So here's what i actually led up to - will the player be able to create or will there be any chance that Edessa will be able to appear on its own on the map?

You can *probably* just edit the starting scenario so that the province with Edessa has its own dynasty. Or you can possibly do it in-game, conquering the land, and granting it to a some noble, then restart and play as that noble.

 

[Havard]

So here's what i actually led up to - will the player be able to create or will there be any chance that Edessa will be able to appear on its own on the map?

Go conquer Edessa and you can become it's count

 

[MRAKoris]

Go conquer Edessa and you can become it's count

Errr... i wanted to already be one

 

[Havard]

Errr... i wanted to already be one

WEll, since it doesn't exist at any of the scenario start dates, that's kinda hard to arrange...

 

[Nikolai II]

. Or you can possibly do it in-game, conquering the land, and granting it to a some noble, then restart and play as that noble.

Or possibly do it in-game, conquering the land and then granting all other owned lands to some nobles/other children?

 

[lucaluca]

If it isn't a feudal state it won't be playable AT ALL, so I at least certainly hope that it is

I naturally love BYZ, but I'd prefer an historical way, I mean this game is about crusaders, ok it will not be about Byzantium, that's all, but I do believe that Byzantium (an EMPIRE) wasn't a feudal state; maybe someone will produce an entire game about Byzantium, and get a lot of money... :rofl:

 

[Vandelay]

Playing the Counts of Barcelona should be a lot of fun - there´s the Taifas and the scary Almoravids and Almohads to fight on land and at sea, a potential network of marriages and alliances with the other Iberian dynasties as well as those of the Languedoc, there are Iberian Chivalrous Orders to control, a merchant republic (Genua) and the Pope just across the sea. Should be fun.

/Vandelay

 

[unmerged(23556)]

i'm gonna play byzantion, anything that lives in finland and then anything goes(i now from euII that i will most likely start games in all possible dynasties/countries at once)

 

[Tamas]

What's this Byzantium fetish thing on this forum?

 

[unmerged(3440)]

Their tragic, glorious and pointless final destruction probably has something to do with it.

 

[Nikolai II]

And they are the most famed underdogs - it is always fun to compete with history and win.