Still, what could stop Muslims from trying to expand? If Spain is at bad moment then Muslims could win, just hard thing to do.
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Still, what could stop Muslims from trying to expand? If Spain is at bad moment then Muslims could win, just hard thing to do.
Do they stay that way for long? Seems to me since it took past the end of CK time to totally get rid of them, they are not as peaceful as you would have us believe.
Of course. If in the game the christian kingdoms of the north choose to fight each other, there is a good opportunity for the muslims in the south to re-reconquer all the peninsula
No, no, I don't want to have you believe anything, I've just said that they were not a great militar power in 1066, this doesn't mean they were not aggressive, of course they were (more or less like the christian kingdoms). Nevertheless, few years after 1212 (battle of Las Navas de Tolosa) the muslim power was reduced to the emirate of Granada, which lasted till 1492, mainly because it payed an important tribute to Castilla so the castillians were not interested in annexing it.Originally posted by Sonny
Do they stay that way for long? Seems to me since it took past the end of CK time to totally get rid of them, they are not as peaceful as you would have us believe.
Afetr Navas de Tolosa Granada was just nothing, as they were before, but a vassal from Castille. The Benimerines came to help them in the XIV cent., and after conquering Gibraltar were utterly destroyed in the Salado battle.
Some facts prevented Castille to finish off Granada:
- The very big yearly tributes.
- That Granada was very montanious and very well fortified.
- The soft and wise diplomacy Granada used with Castille.
- Castille problems in the XIV and XV cents.: civil wars (Pedro I el Cruel against Enrique el de las Mercedes, los infantes de Aragón and Álvaro de Luna, Villena, etc., etc.).
- The $ costs of the conquest (in fact, it had to be the talented Gran Capitán who did the job, and the
Catholic Kings told him in 1490 that the crown couldn´t afford the 40.000 soldiers of the 1489 campaign). So it was necesary a big army for that times commanded by a genious to end the Reconquista.
MFigeres is telling the simple truth, fact widely known by us spanish. Anyway, Navarra comprised most of the time today´s Navarra and parts of Bearn, Basque country almost all the time belonged to Castille.
Some facts prevented Castille to finish off Granada:
- The very big yearly tributes.
- That Granada was very montanious and very well fortified.
- The soft and wise diplomacy Granada used with Castille.
- Castille problems in the XIV and XV cents.: civil wars (Pedro I el Cruel against Enrique el de las Mercedes, los infantes de Aragón and Álvaro de Luna, Villena, etc., etc.).
- The $ costs of the conquest (in fact, it had to be the talented Gran Capitán who did the job, and the
Catholic Kings told him in 1490 that the crown couldn´t afford the 40.000 soldiers of the 1489 campaign). So it was necesary a big army for that times commanded by a genious to end the Reconquista.
MFigeres is telling the simple truth, fact widely known by us spanish. Anyway, Navarra comprised most of the time today´s Navarra and parts of Bearn, Basque country almost all the time belonged to Castille.
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Uniting Scandinavia as Margret did during the later part of the CK period, but that may only be interesting to ScandinaviansOriginally posted by jaron
Theres nothing interesting to do in Denmark though
I want to have some fun and bask on the shores of the mediterranean
What's wrong with the shores of the Baltic sea? The Danes did some extensive crusading against the Wends and Estonians... and there were Danish forces to help in Spain and in the Eastern mediterranean tooOriginally posted by jaron
Theres nothing interesting to do in Denmark though
I want to have some fun and bask on the shores of the mediterranean
Originally posted by Havard
What's wrong with the shores of the Baltic sea? The Danes did some extensive crusading against the Wends and Estonians... and there were Danish forces to help in Spain and in the Eastern mediterranean too
If the game is fun enough i will just play them all. but in my western civ classes i've read about the crusades, and the spanish reconquistas, but scandinavian history, especially swede, danish and norweigan wasnt studied. So naturally my interests are in the south but maybe there are some cool things on the baltic
Ask any passing Dane how Denmark got its flagOriginally posted by jaron
If the game is fun enough i will just play them all. but in my western civ classes i've read about the crusades, and the spanish reconquistas, but scandinavian history, especially swede, danish and norweigan wasnt studied. So naturally my interests are in the south but maybe there are some cool things on the baltic
Danes: how did you get your flag, and why should I fear denmark?
honestly though crusading against 'wenns' or whatever Havard said sounds like fun. I never thought of crusades being against anyone except muslims. What about Russians? Did anyone move against them being orthodox in a catholic dominated europe?
honestly though crusading against 'wenns' or whatever Havard said sounds like fun. I never thought of crusades being against anyone except muslims. What about Russians? Did anyone move against them being orthodox in a catholic dominated europe?
The Wends were a collective name of the various tribes populating the southern Baltic shores from Holstein to Danzig (Wagrians, Polabians, Abotrites, Rugiansm, Liutizians, Pommeranians and Pomerelians). They were converted and subdued by Danish and Saxon crusades between 1147-1185. These crusades were then replaced by attacks on Estonia and Livonia, and later Prussia and Finland. This brought the Catholics in conflict with the growing Lithuanian nation, and the Russians in Polotsk, Pskov and Novgorod. From 1240 there were occational crusades preached (and fought) agains the Russians - particularly by Norway/Sweden but also Denmark and later the Teutonic Order (with allies).Originally posted by jaron
Danes: how did you get your flag, and why should I fear denmark?
honestly though crusading against 'wenns' or whatever Havard said sounds like fun. I never thought of crusades being against anyone except muslims. What about Russians? Did anyone move against them being orthodox in a catholic dominated europe?
The legend tells that the flag fell from the skies to a danish (Valdemar smthg maybe?) king during the crusades in Estonia. That flag later inspired all the other nordic flags (all have the nordic (or was it scandinavian?) cross). I wonder why the swedes didnt come up with something on their own.
Sweden.
I am going to fear the danes and the norweigans in the beginning because they are stronger then me. (should be anyway). But then when I have conquered Finland and the rusian states I should crush them like a bug! But then the mongols show up and you know the story.
I am going to fear the danes and the norweigans in the beginning because they are stronger then me. (should be anyway). But then when I have conquered Finland and the rusian states I should crush them like a bug! But then the mongols show up and you know the story.
I read that war isnt as big a part of this game as in EU2. I believe historically it took decades for the prussians to be subjugated. How does that work? Do I have to declare war first on pagans too? and does converting them bring me prestige ?
I guess a Crusade should be called out by the Pope before you can attack any heathens. And yes, converting heathens should give prestige and/or piety pointsOriginally posted by jaron
I read that war isnt as big a part of this game as in EU2. I believe historically it took decades for the prussians to be subjugated. How does that work? Do I have to declare war first on pagans too? and does converting them bring me prestige ?