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Having an awesome time with this game so far. Question about Crown Laws. I note from the Hint on the Law View that Crown Laws "affect all de jure vassals, not just those who are de facto part of the realm." I take this to mean that a Crown Law affects everything in both the de facto & de jure kingdom. This makes sense.

My question is what about a county or duchy that is in one de facto kingdom, but a member of a different de jure kingdom. My example arises from starting a game as Navarra. My counties (Najera & Navarra), as well as the Duchy of Navarra, are currently de facto part of the Kingdom of Navarra, but part of the de jure Kingdom of Castille. As such, on my Law View, I see tabs for the laws of both kingdoms (though the Kingdom of Castille tab notes only the Crown Laws, as I would expect). So, long way of getting to my question, which Crown Law takes priority in any given county in the Kingdom of Navarra? For example, when looking at the Bishopric of Leyre, in the County of Navarra, I can choose to appoint a successor to the Bishop. However, the Kingdom of Navarra has Papal Investiture. On the other hand, the Kingdom of Castille has Free Investiture. So it seems I'm gaining the ability to appoint a Bishop because the Investiture Law of Castille is being applied, not the law of Navarra. On the other hand, when I look at the amount of my vassals' levy that I can raise (again, for example, the Bishopric of Leyre), the Levy at Disposal Due to Laws is listed as 60%, applying the -40% from Normal Church Levies. This calculation is appropriate if applying the Laws of Navarra (noting this is not actually a Crown Law). Likewise, the tooltip shows now bonus to minimum levies as Navarra has Minimal Crown Authority enacted, which gives no bonus to vassal minimum levies. This would also seem correct. But Castille has enacted Limited Crown Authority which should provide +10% minimum vassal levies. So, is the game applying two different Crown Laws in two different situations, or is it simply not showing Castille's Limited Crown Authority on the levy tooltip? I'm leaning toward the latter, because on the other hand, when I engage my vassal, the Count of Najera, in diplomacy, I can choose to revoke his title. In the tooltip, it says this is possible because the Kingdom of Castille has enacted Limited Crown Authority (again under Navarra's Minimal Crown Authority I should not be able to revoke a title).

So the ultimate questions I suppose are: (1) does the game apply just one set of Crown Laws when a county or duchy is within two different kingdoms; and if so, (2) does the game apply only the de jure kingdom's Crown Laws, or does it apply the "most extreme" Crown Law among the two kingdoms (i.e., Free Investiture, or higher levels of Crown Authority)?
 

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Well what I've noticed playing as Matilda the Great Conqueror is that while I am an elector in both the Kingdom of Sicily and the Empire of Byzantium de jure, I am a member of the HRE so I was beholden to the HRE's crown laws, until I formed Italy at which point Queen Matilda was under Italy's Crown Laws but I could still see and vote on the others.
 

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If you click the de jure kingdoms button and then scroll over the county in question, it shows the active crown laws (what they are and which kingdom they come from).
 

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Ah, I see, thank you. So I guess that raises the question, why would Castille's Crown Laws apply? I'm noticing now that it says Navarra is a Titular Kingdom. Does that mean my own Crown Laws will never apply..?
 

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Ah, I see, thank you. So I guess that raises the question, why would Castille's Crown Laws apply? I'm noticing now that it says Navarra is a Titular Kingdom. Does that mean my own Crown Laws will never apply..?

Precisely. Navarra has no crown laws. I think that she should, but in vanilla CK2 she does not. It is a matter of the map files and what kingdom or empire a specific province is indicated as belonging to therein. IIRC Italy is not de jure part of the HRE, so Tuscany can declare war against Lombardy (given a CB exists) even though there is absolute crown authority in the HRE (which only covers Germany and Bohemia).
 

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That is absolutely correct.

Precisely. Navarra has no crown laws. I think that she should, but in vanilla CK2 she does not. It is a matter of the map files and what kingdom or empire a specific province is indicated as belonging to therein. IIRC Italy is not de jure part of the HRE, so Tuscany can declare war against Lombardy (given a CB exists) even though there is absolute crown authority in the HRE (which only covers Germany and Bohemia).