Which formable countries replace former NI sets?

[Krajzen]

There are many formable nations currently in the game and I have totally no idea which of them:
1) Have their own NIs which replaces previous national NIs (cool as formable NIs are often very good)
2) Make forming nation retain its National Ideas
3) Have their own NIs but they replace NIs of only some of forming countries while another retain their unique NIs (I think there is at least one instance of that, right? Something like 'if you have group NIs then you lose them but if you have individual you retain them'?)

I would like to consolidate our knowledge about that in this single thread.

 

[asgersikker]

You can read about it in the Wiki - http://www.eu4wiki.com/Countries

And for Sweden forming Scandinavia it says -

• After forming Scandinavia, events for your previous country will no longer fire. E.g. if you form Scandinavia as Denmark, Danish events will no longer fire for your country.

 

[Krajzen]

But it doesn't cover all of nuances.

1) If I form Spain with Castille, Portugal or Aragon I retain their NIs. What about Navarra and it's NIs? And what if Galicia or Leon form Spain, with their generic ideas?
2) What about Provence -> France?

 

[asgersikker]

Yeah, it's not perfect but this covers it somewhat:
http://www.eu4wiki.com/Formable_countries

 

[neondt]

You WILL change NI's if you form:

• Brazil
• Canada
• Courland
• Croatia
• Inca
• Italy
• Jerusalem
• Morocco
• Algiers
• Tunisia
• Tripoli
• Manchu
• Mexico
• Mughals
• Netherlands
• Persia
• Poland
• Prussia
• Quebec
• Romania
• Ruthenia
• Shan
• Sokoto
• Tibet
• USA
• Byzantium

Otherwise You keep your old ideas.

edit: So the countries for which formation will NOT result in new NI's are:

• Arabia
• Australia
• GB
• Bukhara
• Chile
• Colombia
• Egypt
• England
• France
• Germany
• Austria
• Haiti
• Hindustan
• Ireland
• Japan
• La Plata
• Louisiana
• Malaya
• Maya
• Hannover
• Westphalia
• Greece
• Paraguay
• Peru
• Russia
• Sardinia-Piedmont
• Scandinavia
• Spain
• Commonwealth
• UPCA
• Venezuela

 

[BarskiPatzow]

You WILL change NI's if you form:

• Brazil
• Canada
• Courland
• Croatia
• Inca
• Italy
• Jerusalem
• Morocco
• Algiers
• Tunisia
• Tripoli
• Manchu
• Mexico
• Mughals
• Netherlands
• Persia
• Poland
• Prussia
• Quebec
• Romania
• Ruthenia
• Shan
• Sokoto
• Tibet
• USA
• Byzantium

Otherwise You keep your old ideas.

edit: So the countries for which formation will NOT result in new NI's are:

• Arabia
• Australia
• GB
• Bukhara
• Chile
• Colombia
• Egypt
• England
• France
• Germany
• Austria
• Haiti
• Hindustan
• Ireland
• Japan
• La Plata
• Louisiana
• Malaya
• Maya
• Hannover
• Westphalia
• Greece
• Paraguay
• Peru
• Russia
• Sardinia-Piedmont
• Scandinavia
• Spain
• Commonwealth
• UPCA
• Venezuela

I tried with Byzantium and I kept my ideas, even thou it said in the tooltip that I will get new ideas.

 

[neondt]

I tried with Byzantium and I kept my ideas, even thou it said in the tooltip that I will get new ideas.

Which country did you form BYZ as?

 

[Ranjid]

I tried with Byzantium and I kept my ideas, even thou it said in the tooltip that I will get new ideas.

You definitely get new ideas as Byzantium. What you experienced might be a bug of some sort.

Btw: You can't form Japan. You become Japan if you topple the Shonugate, but there's no decision to form it. And even then your NIs change from a Daimyo to the Japanese set.

 

[BarskiPatzow]

Which country did you form BYZ as?

Serbia

 

[neondt]

You definitely get new ideas as Byzantium. What you experienced might be a bug of some sort.

Btw: You can't form Japan. You become Japan if you topple the Shonugate, but there's no decision to form it. And even then your NIs change from a Daimyo to the Japanese set.

You can form Japan if Japan doesn't exist and you're the only daimyo left. In this instance your ideas will not change.

 

[Ranjid]

You can form Japan if Japan doesn't exist and you're the only daimyo left. In this instance your ideas will not change.

Ah, I guess that happens if Japan is annexed by a non-vassal? Haven't seen that yet. In that case it sounds more like a missing feature. Forming Japan should be possible either way.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Ah, I guess that happens if Japan is annexed by a non-vassal? Haven't seen that yet. In that case it sounds more like a missing feature. Forming Japan should be possible either way.

You get a weird result if you eliminate Japan by annexing it via vassal feeding to a non-daimyo, because that doesn't trigger the shogunate falling the same way. It's possible to say a daimyo forever this way.

 

[Hellbooze]

I wish Maya would get an unique set of ideas. All the available Mayan nations only have generic Meso-American Ideas.

 

[Marox]

Serbia

Just checked the RestoreByzantineEmpire file and it should swap your ideas to Byzantium's so it has to either be a bug or mod that prevented it. It isn't structured like the Netherland's formation where there are special effects for specific tags like Burgundy either.

 

[BarskiPatzow]

Just checked the RestoreByzantineEmpire file and it should swap your ideas to Byzantium's so it has to either be a bug or mod that prevented it. It isn't structured like the Netherland's formation where there are special effects for specific tags like Burgundy either.

Then it was a bug since I have no mods that could influence that.