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Tambourmajor said:
For about half the length of its existence (from the 4th Crusade on, basically), the ERE wasn't exactly an "empire", either.

I agree wholeheartedly, I was trying to say that for much of England and France's history (within the years I quoted) they could hardly be considered nations.

lucaluca said:
but Byzantine Empire could have done more! If it wasn't for the 4th crusade, we could have had a modern day byzantium. There was already a greek nationalism, a national hero saga (Diogenis Akritas), a reinassance movement... Byzantium could have done more :(

Again, I agree... certainly possible. The Byzantines certainly could have gone much farther, but there were many problems that would have to have been dealt with regardless of the Fourth Crusade. And I think it highly unlikely they could have survived to the modern day in any recognizable state. (China, for instance, has only survived the millennia because of it's sheer size, relative cultural harmony, and innumerous reinventions.)
 
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Again, I agree... certainly possible. The Byzantines certainly could have gone much farther, but there were many problems that would have to have been dealt with regardless of the Fourth Crusade. And I think it highly unlikely they could have survived to the modern day in any recognizable state. (China, for instance, has only survived the millennia because of it's sheer size, relative cultural harmony, and innumerous reinventions.)
And even China has seen the rise of about four different ruling castes over the last 300 years.
 

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Hunnic Empire of course (if its included :p)


if not that, then either Sparta, Egypt, Macedonia, or Crete


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If I get Rome, I think it's fairly obvious I'll be playing as the Romans. I'll certainly try to build up the Roman Republic to its Imperial borders a few hundred years early. SPQR!

for that we would need historical bordered provinces to simulate the roman borders,
what right now: is not the case
 

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jorian said:
for that we would need historical bordered provinces to simulate the roman borders, what right now: is not the case
Well... that will hopefully be corrected. Remember the game is still in early alpha. Also in a game about Rome they hardly have any excuse not to give Roman borders priority when deciding on province borders.
 

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Rome first to just get a sense of game features, and then Dacia

That will make my gf happy, until I tell her I'm trying to prevent Romania from happening in the first place :rofl:
 

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Hiram_Maxim said:

Kind of hard, but don't worry, I'm sure there will be some other great white blob to play. :)