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lucaluca said:I bet Seleucids will be the Byzantines of EU:Rome, a great empire that could (with a lot of intrigue and inbreeding).
The Byzantines were a great empire that did.
They outlasted the Western Empire by nearly a thousand years.... it was certainly the one of the longest living European empires. By comparison: the (Western) Roman Empire lasted about five hundred years. (A thousand if you count the preceding republic, twelve-hundred if you add the previous monarchy, and over two thousand if you add on the Byzantines.)
Modern states such as England (just over a thousand years, if you start counting from Athelstan on) and France (almost fifteen-hundred years, if you start counting at Clovis I) have outlasted the Byzantines, but I don't think they were really "empires" for most of that time.
Sevius said:
By that standard, the Byzantine "empire" was just a petty kingdom with an inflated ego for nearly half of its existence
As for France, I think they've considered themselves some sort of Empire since about Phillip II Augustus; he at least did.
Same here, I am fascinated by Carthage. I hope the feel of playing Carthage will be authentic, or feel different than controlling Rome.Birger said:
Sevius said:
but Byzantine Empire could have done more! If it wasn't for the 4th crusade, we could have had a modern day byzantium. There was already a greek nationalism, a national hero saga (Diogenis Akritas), a reinassance movement... Byzantium could have done more
For about half the length of its existence (from the 4th Crusade on, basically), the ERE wasn't exactly an "empire", either.Sevius said:
The Illyrians first and then others like Macedonia, Epirus, Etruscans or Thrace. Basically everyone who are the descendants of the "Pelasgians" and not Greek.
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Lucius Cornelius Sulla and his supporters. Not Gaius Marius, who I'll try to kill. The Senate and People of Rome can then do as I say. Because I will be Dictator. And no one else.
uarus_strabo said:Lucius Cornelius Sulla and his supporters. Not Gaius Marius, who I'll try to kill. The Senate and People of Rome can then do as I say. Because I will be Dictator. And no one else.
Ah, yes... this game, and most especially this post, have made me want to get out my copy of The Grass Crown again. If Paradox includes the sort of politics that that rivalry had going on, then this game will be excellent no matter what else.
If I get Rome, I think it's fairly obvious I'll be playing as the Romans. I'll certainly try to build up the Roman Republic to its Imperial borders a few hundred years early. SPQR!
