Which country to choose if I want to reform Alexander´s empire ?

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Thread name say´s it. My first game is definitely gonna be as one of the Hellenic countries. But which one is the most logical choice if I want to reform the empire of the Alexander himself ?

I mean who would be the best, most legitimate successor (not the strongest or richest) ? Right now, Macedon seems as best choice. But they start kinda OP, so I am looking for an underdog start....ideas ?
 

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Ptolemy was reported to be Alexander's half-brother (though whether this was indeed true, or just propaganda to legitimise his rule is lost to history), so you could start as Egypt.
 

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Finding the most legitimate successor is the wole point of diadochis wars lol. Best would be to start with Alexander's son under a regency and try not to be killed but I think he is already dead when the game starts
 

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Paeonia is the most underdog country that can really claim to be heir to Alexander's legacy. Thrace is not much stronger, and is the weakest of the eponymous diadochi, so that's also a good choice.
 

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Macedon is only the "best" choice if you get rid of Cassander. Otherwise...you know, not really right to be reforming Alexanders empire with the man who murdered his children ^^
 

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Macedon is only the "best" choice if you get rid of Cassander. Otherwise...you know, not really right to be reforming Alexanders empire with the man who murdered his children ^^

Well, he is married to Alexander's sister though, so if you manage to produce some children by her, you could claim blood relation at least?
 

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The most powerful nation is Phrygia, but Macedon has the youngest ruler, so they will be able to make best use of the event claims, also AI Phrygia is unlikely to take the steps necessary to prevent the fragmentation of its realm, so Macedon may be the easiest.
 

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Hey there,

sorry for the AUC date error, don't know what i was thinking.

So the game starts 20 years after Alexander the Great's death.

I did not dig inside the in game familys and what choices have been made by the team BUT, from an historical point of view as i remember my antique and few reads :

The only heir with a strong claim, Alexander the 4th of Macedonia, son of Alexander the Great, was underaged and assassinated by Cassandre 13 years after his fathers death in 310 BC (wich is if i'm not mistaken, 7 years before the start of the game)

Even Alexander's illegitimate son, Heracles, is out of the game, being assassinated in 309 BC.

Non-mentioning the fate of Philip the 3rd, Alexander the Great's step brother, who was described as mentally ill anyways, assassinated in 317 BC.


So starting from there and contemplating the various political plots in the following decades (yeaaaaah princess, kings, satraps, military leaders, i'm speaking about all of your tricky moves, yeah !), one of the maybe reasonable answer would be to give some credit to the Historical Library by Diodorus Siculus, book XVII, where he tells that Alexander the Great's answered the legacy question on his death's bed by "May it be passed to the strongest".

Where such a story, written by a Roman historian of Julius Cesar period more than two centurys after Alexander's death serves directly the ambition of the Roman Empire, it figures well what was probably the situation around 300 BC and for the years to come. A total mess.


Then, pretty any family bound to Alexander the Great's family tree, Macedonia, or even sattraps successor and their own legacy can have a form of legitimacy claming to reform the Empire in Alexander's name.

The ptolemaic part in Egypt, the Peonian one, even the Seleucid one where is located Babylon. I would clearly struggle to determine wich one has more legitimacy than another.
 
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You should do it the same way Alexander himself did - start as a barbarian on the edge of the empire. Treat the Hellenic world the way Alex treated the Persian one....
 

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Paeonia...that sounds like an underdog to me. Good suggestion I´ll give it a shoot. So plan A) is kill Cassender as Macedon and then start rolling, plan B) go as Paeonia and start rolling (with a possibility of being rolled over). Thx guys. It´s good to have some historic insight.

Also ETA is 34 minutes for me....hyped...:D