Which country is the most missing in EU?

[Hartmann]

I came up with the idea to ask this question as almost everyone seems to miss the one or other nation in EU, especially with regards to emergence of countries by successful revolts.

For me it´s Greece (as a possible newcomer by revolt).

What do You folks think?

Hartmann

P.S. As I come to think of it, the Balkans provide many possible newcomers, e.g. Bulgaria, Serbia and Croatia.

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Originally posted by Hartmann:
I came up with the idea to ask this question as almost everyone seems to miss the one or other nation in EU, especially with regards to emergence of countries by successful revolts.

For me it´s Greece (as a possible newcomer by revolt).


What do You folks think?

Hartmann

P.S. As I come to think of it, the Balkans provide many possible newcomers, e.g. Bulgaria, Serbia and Croatia.

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Andora


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[Hartmann]

Andora? Hmm, the map´s even lacking the province! But maybe the Basque country?

Hartmann

 

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hmmm, good question... I guess there are several that'd be cool to play after a successful revolt- Armenia is definitely one because of its rather unfortunate location between Persia and the Ottomans.

Siam is another. I'm not sure about the political situation in se-asia during the three centuries that EU concentrates on, but c'mon even the name's cool--Siam (and I love Thai food )

And my third pick would be the Kingdom of Mali. I'm not even sure if it existed as a political unit in the 16th cc onward, but Timbuktu was surely still a great center of learning and trade... would be neat to build a Saharan Empire

tuna

 

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Um... Finland?

Now that you've stopped laughing and gotten back up from the floor, I reveal my lack of precise historical knowledge by telling you that I was only 95% joking. Wasn't a Swedish military (or was it naval?) officer Georg Magnus Sprengtporten (or something like that) convicted or at the very least accused of high treason in the 1700s, because he fraternized with the Russians, with the intention of getting their support if he kidnaps the Governor of Östlandet (the name Swedes used for their provinces in today's Finland) and declares independence? I'm not sure which parts of 'Eastern Sweden' he would have wanted to claim, though; I'm not even sure if that is known, since nothing ever came of his ideas. This is a very minor thread in the history of Sweden, so I've forgotten every detail I may have known at some point. But if my memory serves, this was supposedly the first time any high-ranking official ever thought of starting an independent country in the area that we now call Finland.

Seriously though, one look at the EU map tells you that Finland (under king Georg Magnus I) would be a snack for Sweden or Russia in the game.

 

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Finland? ehum..hummm.. hummm..

Well Finland was actually discussed by the betas and the devteam, but never made it.. or rather... never made it further than being named. The possible 'breakers' had some prerequisites. Either the country must have existed as a recognised independent country (as Norway and Burgundy for example) or it must feel plausible that such country could have come into existence any time during the period 1492-1792. There are actually countries that could fullfill these criteria as the Byzantine Empire and Novgorod for example (but not Finland). Another prerequisite followed quickly. For example the core are of a possible independent state cannot be one that share its core area with the core area of another country. Thus the Byzantine Empire was counted out.

My favourite has always been Siebenbürgen , but Novgorod doesn't come far behind.

P.S Limiting new countries for certain timespans is problematic with the current code I think.

/Greven

 

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Zulu nation. If you check out the filenames of the soldier animation for Nubia, it should call them Zulu, so I think Paradox wanted to put them in the game, but couldn't and wanted to give the gfx to some other nation.

Also mercs, definately.

Favorite is the nations that evolved later than the game, but hypothetically could evolve earlier. Italy and Germany. Right now, in a scenario I use Venice for Italy (there is not even a flag for the Kingdom of Sardinia, just for the nation of sardinia, savoie, corsica, milano, genoa) and Prussia for germany.

 

[Moody]

Ukraine would be interesting to play and a Inuit nation in the north of the American continent.

 

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Hi all,
Greece would also be my first choice being that my degree is in Cretan history.

but my second choice would be the kingdom of Septimania in southwest France.
It would be my goal to convert all the heretical christians of Europe back to proper conservative jews! ha ha ha ha!!!!

all i can picture when i think of the Khazars being Jewish is this horse nomad with a black coat on, fake curls, a talus and composite bow....weird....

michael

 

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GREECE GREECE GREECE
Revive the Greater! Eastern Hellenic Roman Empire!!!

Serbia and Bulgaria would also be nice.

 

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Wales [just not with the leaders I put into my scenario ]. The Act of Union with England replacing Welsh law, etc. was not put into effect until 1536 and there was still more or less prevalence of Welsh culture during the early part of this game. You could toss in the Celtic people of Cornwall too ...

What about the Basques in Spain? (or are they already a possibility?)

 

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Does the game include Korea?, or how about Vietnam, but Greece would also be my first, problem is would have to do a lot of guess work on leaders.

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History is a lie agreed upon. Napoleon

 

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Ethiopia should also be in the Game, it was an ancient orthodox christian kingdom. And as for guesswork on leaders, you could just do research on Klephts of the time period, or take jannisary commanders(most of them were racially Greeks, and would not have beocme Muslim if Greece wasnt occupied and they werent stolen during childhood.) And even if u ahve to amek u leaders, so what? They ahve ot anyway for the Iroquois,a nd what do they do for leaders for say... Kazan or Pskov if they survive later in the game than they actaully did in history? There is always guesswork.

 

[Lubricus]

I thought about changing my scenario file to unite Prussia and Brandenburg and make the extra nation Siam. It would make some sense, since Siam never really was conquered by Europeans. I like the Andorran idea. Maybe San Marino, too? Or Liechtenstein? Or Luxembourg as a revolt country?

 

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for adding siam, and many other countries, even if you were to use some of the unused flags (like MIN or ROY;PRS and another one will crash the game, so don't use them), you would need to know the numbers of the provinces they should have and who the current owner is. Somewhere it is written in a text file what numbers are what provinces. I want the state of Jerusalem (say, Judea, Lebanon, and that other one, next to Sinai)to exist in 1492 and to start kicking everybody's assnuts.

 

[Lubricus]

The Palestinian Republic? In 1492? That's a good one!

 

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If u figure out how to do it, can u please post it or email me so i can do the same with Greece? Ill be trying to do the same to, except with Greece.

 

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Only those nations who are Historical within the year
1492-1792 should be presented

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Gustav II Adolf:Gud är med oss.

 

[Hartmann]

There are some nations presently in the game, which weren´t there historically (at least at the time). When I was researching monarchs for Nubia, I e.g. found that this Kingdom had disintegrated in the 14th century. Instead there was indeed a Kingdom of Ethopia!

Hartmann

 

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Originally posted by Moody:
Ukraine would be interesting to play and a Inuit nation in the north of the American continent.

Ukraine already exists as a possible minor, and definitely exists in my current game (succesfully gained their independence from Turkey)