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This is one of those pointless questions that only serves to incite bitter arguments. It's like asking "Why did the Allies win?" The only reasonable answer you can give is "Because the Axis lost."
 
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This is one of those pointless questions that only serves to incite bitter arguments. It's like asking "Why did the Allies win?" The only reasonable answer you can give is "Because the Axis lost."

Yeah you may want to read my post again.
I think if you (and others who posted) just take a second to read it over again you may find your discussions changing :D
 

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Are you kidding me? A minor role? Are you joking? Americans supplied the Russians with Tanks, Ammo, Guns, Planes, Oil, 500k Studebaker Trucks, Jeeps, an entire Military telecommunications system, Food, and Clothes. They also sent Tanks post-Stalingrad. Saying they played a minor role ridiculous. There's evidence that Soviet Archives covered the extent of Lend-Lease they received because they thought it would hurt morale. The Americans played a MAJOR role. Stalin was begging Britain and America for Lend-Lease. I honestly want to know what you're smoking.



Chinese history teacher taught me this:
USSR did the most. The war cant be won 100% without USSR.
UK did a lot, if UK didn't resist German force. the war will be 80% lost.
China also did a lot, being a sand bag of Japan, so Japan couldn't invade USSR.
If China surrendered day to Japan like France in day1, USSR will lose 2 front war 99%. WWII without USSR = 100% lose.

USA however, was more of a joke. Japan couldn't invade China and Asia If USA didn't export 90% of all oils/steal comsumed in Japan.
Japanese coudln't even run/build their fleet and jets if the US didn't support them.

I don't know if my old teacher is right or not, but it is hard to believe that western ppl actually think USA contributed anything important.
USA helped Japan built up their army. Even during the first half of the war.

If USA didn't exist, Japan would have problems to deal with China alone. The US traded as much supplies to Japan as the Alies.
 
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Yeah you may want to read my post again.
I think if you (and others who posted) just take a second to read it over again you may find your discussions changing :D
You're right, I was mostly responding to the silly people on this thread. It's a little surprising to see that people's views of the Soviet contribution are diminishing, not the other way around. Well, except in Russia of course.

I mean, just look at France! It's interesting to see that they gave the Soviets much more credit in 1945 than they do now.

Chinese history teacher taught me this:
USSR did the most. The war cant be won 100% without USSR.
UK did a lot, if UK didn't resist German force. the war will be 80% lost.
China also did a lot, being a sand bag of Japan, so Japan couldn't invade USSR.
If China surrendered day to Japan like France in day1, USSR will lose 2 front war 99%. WWII without USSR = 100% lose.

USA however, was more of a joke. Japan couldn't invade China and Asia If USA didn't export 90% of all oils/steal comsumed in Japan.
Japanese coudln't even run/build their fleet and jets if the US didn't support them.

I don't know if my old teacher is right or not, but it is hard to believe that western ppl actually think USA contributed anything important.
USA helped Japan built up their army. Even during the first half of the war.

If USA didn't exist, Japan would have problems to deal with China alone. The US traded as much supplies to Japan as the Alies.
Was Chinese history teacher at all affiliated with Chinese government? Because what he said about the US sounds like pure propaganda. For example, he conveniently left out the US oil and steel embargoes, US lend-lease to China, the almost single-handed annihilation of the Japanese navy and...oh yes, the atomic bombs.
 
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While it doesn't surprise me that so many people rate the soviets accomplishments as highly as they due, i attribute that mostly to cold war propaganda(after the war stalin in fact disputed that he was supplied with any help, and implied that his was the only country who bled to defeat the Reich). I'm not trying to belittle the accomplishments of any veterans. but i think the allies are each equally responsible for defeating the Reich rather than one or the other being mostly responsible.

If you account for POW's that are taken the soviets are roughly equal in terms of destruction of the enemy as the rest of the allies combined.

additionally looking purely at the battlefield casualties leave out lend lease, the strategic bombing campaigns that the British and Americans had which destroyed the German factories(or at least occupied German manpower hiding/rebuilding/bombproofing them). or the fact that German manpower was split into so many portions it invited defeat in detail.
 
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Soviet manpower was at it's limit in 1945. If you give the Axis all the tanks, artillery and trucks from the western front and give them air superiority then a Soviet defeat is not just possible but probable. The Axis has more economic resources in this situation.

Dont just look at the number of tanks built and conclude that Soviet industry was bigger. Consider for instance the relative Soviet deficit in artillery shells.
Shell deficit might have something to do with the amount of tubes per km of front. Soviet Union had as many artillerymen as infantry in 1945. Germany didn't have this kind of resources at any point in the war.
 

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Every single mankind is worth the production of the US.
Thus the USSR and the chinas contributed most.
I cannot believe that you can be able to say that US or UK have contributed more ; the life of a human being is priceless.
 
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Shell deficit might have something to do with the amount of tubes per km of front. Soviet Union had as many artillerymen as infantry in 1945. Germany didn't have this kind of resources at any point in the war.

I think you are mistaken. Germany was the one firing more artillery shells for most of the war...

I cannot believe that you can be able to say that US or UK have contributed more ; the life of a human being is priceless.

Way to totally miss the spirit of the question. :rolleyes:
 
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Contribute the most what?

Time in conflict? That would be the UK. In on day 1

Only day 1 of the European war (and, technically, day two/three, as they gave the Germans 24 hours to respond to the ultimatum, which they didn't issue until a little after war had begun, but I know what you mean :)) - there was only one member of the Allies fighting from 1937 through to 1945, even if they didn't actually join the Allies until a bit later, and they had a pretty rough run of it as well.
 

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I found it interesting. Fairly interesting how opinions change over the years and for different generations.

The Soviets by a moderate margin, of course even for that they had help.

As I've said before, without the Soviets the Allies would have lost, without the US or UK the other Allies probably would have lost.

Seriously USA wins ?? They didnt do much in europe at all, in Pacific, yes they crushed the Japanese almost on their own, but in Europe they played minor role.

Other than supplying a large amount of the Soviet food and logistical capacity, as well as a fair amount of fighter aircraft. And playing a large part in the opening of a second, then third front. Oh, and doing daylight raids that could actually hit specific targets, like the German tank factories. Other than those things the US didn't do anything at all!

helping US to clear Japanese.

U wot m8? The Soviets didn't do shit in the Pacific Theater. They showed up after we beat the Japs and grabbed some land just before the Japs surrendered.
 

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If it wasn't limited to countries I would say Hitler contributed the most to the Allied victory with his poor planning and lack of strategic sense. :p
 
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I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of "which country did most during WW2"

However, I can definitely say which country did the LEAST. The award for worst ally certainly goes to... Bulgaria.

I thought that prize would go to Sweden, or at least that is what the Finns often imply!
 
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soviet union won the war
the rest opened the western front after the war had been decided, to prevent soviets get all the europe
 
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It seems incredible that trucks, rifles or cans of sardines are compared with a person. With that made clear who it was the main contributor in WWII.
 
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