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Muscovy is the country that became Russia in 1515, however in game Muscovy, Novogorod, Ryazan, Tver, Pskov and Suzdal can all become Russia if they hold Moscow, Novogorod and 2 provs from Vologoda, Ryazan, Tver or Pskov.
Muscovy of course has it easiest with better monarchs and leaders plus more territory at beginning.
Muscovy of course has it easiest with better monarchs and leaders plus more territory at beginning.
Moscovy and Novgorod are two principalities that can become Russia easiest.
Depends on what sort of state you want, the Muscovite "autocracy" or the Novgorod style of quasi-merchant republic.
Depends on what sort of state you want, the Muscovite "autocracy" or the Novgorod style of quasi-merchant republic.
Muscovy is easier to play to become Russia but Novgorod has ugric culture.
Muscovy is interesting to play in AGCEEP, because she has tatar culture (and russian of course) in 1480 in this mod.
Muscovy is interesting to play in AGCEEP, because she has tatar culture (and russian of course) in 1480 in this mod.
Does AGCEEP Novgorod, after becoming Russia, or somewhere in that sequence, ever acquire Tatar culture? I'm drawn to the idea of forming a Russia with Ugric culture, but if I have to choose between Ugric and Tatar...
crash63 said:No, just Muscovy can have tatar culture.
Assuming you don't do a little 'modding' of your own...
I notice that the latest patch added Polotsk as a revolter. Although it's Russian, Polotsk cannot become Russia without someone typing in an "event" command usually applied to another Russian minor.
qvcatullus said:
It's in AGCEEP. Tatar culture is to help Muscovy to beat Golden Horde.
If you have to choose betwenn tatar and ugric culture, chose tatar immediately.
Giamaica said:Nobody.
But if you take all Russia you can vassalize
Are you sure Italians do it better? :rofl:
That's a shame, puts Russia formed by Novgorod into a big disadvantage for expanding east. I was hoping to form a Novgorod Russia with Ugric culture and the same benefits of Muscowy - Russia.
Only in AGCEEP does Muscovy have anything Novgorod can't get.
In the stock game, Novgorod has the extra culture and different DP settings and events prior to claiming the Russian crown, but after gaining the crown, a Novgorod-formed Russia has the advantage of the extra culture.
In the stock game, Novgorod has the extra culture and different DP settings and events prior to claiming the Russian crown, but after gaining the crown, a Novgorod-formed Russia has the advantage of the extra culture.
SecondReich said:
It's also possible with Novgorod, Tver & Ryazan but it's simpler with Muscovy. With AGCEEP, without doubt it's Muscovy for tatar culture.
You really like that tatar culture thing, don't you?crash63 said:It's also possible with Novgorod, Tver & Ryazan but it's simpler with Muscovy. With AGCEEP, without doubt it's Muscovy for tatar culture.
I know that it is actually possible, but...Muscovy ACTUALLY did do it, I think.
BTW, should I give Muscovy Tartar culture in my game? I am wondering if there is enough reason for it?
BTW, should I give Muscovy Tartar culture in my game? I am wondering if there is enough reason for it?