Which countries to trade with as Germany

[Ivan_W_S]

Germany has an overabundance of steel and aluminium, but shortages in the other 4 resources. I know that USA and Soviet Union has oil, but trading with Romania is the safest (no reason to give your potential enemies more civilian IC).

In WWW2, Johan suggested Turkey to get chromium from and from DD 24, Turkey is a major chromium producer and since it has land connection to Germany, safe to trade with even during war. Or is the trade mechanics different now and you need to use convoys if you're not sharing border with the other country?

Rubber is mainly produced in South East Asia (UK, Netherlands) and South America (Brazil), so no good trading partner for rubber unless I decide to stay in peace with Netherlands. Sweden and Portugal should have tungsten, but is it in sufficient quantity for Germany's need?

Can anyone think of other countries to trade with as Germany, especially for tungsten. Who is the major producer for tungsten during World War 2?

 

[Victor Cortez]

Spain supplied tungsten to Germany.

 

[Heruure]

Well, in reality Sweden traded alot of things like Tungsten, Steel and Ballbearings to Germany in real life.
Before a certain time Swedish iron ore was quite vital to the German war effort aswell.

 

[Will Steel]

Well, in reality Germany traded alot of things like Tungsten, Steel and Ballbearings to Germany in real life.
Before a certain time Swedish iron ore was quite vital to the German war effort aswell.

How did Germany trade that much to Germany?

 

[Red_warning]

Portugal and Spain were the world leading tungsten exporters of that time, so installing a fascist government in Spain could prove vital.

 

[Ivan_W_S]

Thanks, so Nationalist Spain to the Axis then. Any idea about other rubber producers?

 

[mdw1985]

Thanks, so Nationalist Spain to the Axis then. Any idea about other rubber producers?

Brazil is an option for rubber, romania for oil, chromium from turkey...

 

[PanosB3]

Romania: Oil
Turkey: Chromium
Sweden: Iron Ore and other minerals
Spain + Portugal: Tungsten
USSR: Raw materials + grain (while you are waiting for Barbarossa...)
USA: Industrial machinery

 

[Ivan_W_S]

Brazil is an option for rubber, romania for oil, chromium from turkey...

Hmm, so no real good trading partner for rubber, Brazil is an ocean away, I guess Netherlands should be coaxed into the Axis.

 

[Paladino]

You can make your own.

 

[Caesar15]

Hmm, so no real good trading partner for rubber, Brazil is an ocean away, I guess Netherlands should be coaxed into the Axis.

Just trade with the Netherlands, no amount of civilian factories you can give them through trade will save them from your panzers. And I don't think Romania will have enough oil to supply your entire military.

 

[PanosB3]

Just trade with the Netherlands, no amount of civilian factories you can give them through trade will save them from your panzers. And I don't think Romania will have enough oil to supply your entire military.

Enough to get me to the Caucasus XD

 

[Heruure]

How did Germany trade that much to Germany?

My bad, Sweden. >.<

 

[Shatterfury]

Just trade with the Netherlands, no amount of civilian factories you can give them through trade will save them from your panzers. And I don't think Romania will have enough oil to supply your entire military.

Or just don`t attack them and use them as a way to circumvent the Allied trade embargo ?

 

[Jmland]

Well, rubber interestingly is probably the only one of the "resources" that you could develop from scratch given the right conditions. After all, we are talking about rubber plants and plantations. It's not like coal or iron mines where the desired resource is locked into a specific location. Synthetic oil is somewhat similar in this respect except that the raw material is a fixed resource. Any place in the tropical belt with the right amount of water (a lot) and sun (also a lot) and temperature (pretty hot), and at least fair soil would be adequate for a rubber plantation. My understanding is that jungle soil (where rubber is native), is actually pretty poor soil (in regards to nutrients). So just about anything reasonable could work. In theory, Italy could have made the investment to start some rubber plantations in a couple of areas of western Ethiopia (along the Blue Nile and the two main tributaries of the While Nile that extend into Ethiopia). Near the rivers would be critical for irrigation. Converting the sap into basic rubber is I believe a pretty low tech process, although vulcanization is more complicated but manageable via a local factory (actually a heat treatment plant). Figure 1 year to establish the plantation, 3-4 years for the plants to grow large enough (12 month growing season in the tropics with enough water), and you could begin producing rubber in 1941.

Not sure that PDS is modeling rubber as a resource in this manner, so probably not an option. Just food for thought (if anybody is gathering ideas for a mod).

 

[alkomon]

1) In Hoi3 once I did not attack the Netherlands and I had good trade partner turing the war. Maybe it is possible in Hoi4 too, but im not sure how realistic that would be (in real life the UK would block this kind of trade).

2) Russia will be a great trade partner from 1936 to 1941(or even longer).

And

Go and take Turkey and after that go for Iraq and Saudis oil fields.

 

[Shatterfury]

1) In Hoi3 once I did not attack the Netherlands and I had good trade partner turing the war. Maybe it is possible in Hoi4 too, but im not sure how realistic that would be (in real life the UK would block this kind of trade).

2) Russia will be a great trade partner from 1936 to 1941(or even longer).

And

Go and take Turkey and after that go for Iraq and Saudis oil fields.

Germany kind of did something like that in WW1. They can`t just stop all of Netherlands` ships.

 

[rafan]

2) Russia will be a great trade partner from 1936 to 1941(or even longer).

Right help Soviets build they industry it will work great for them when you invade them
for you not so much.

 

[PanosB3]

Germany kind of did something like that in WW1. They can`t just stop all of Netherlands` ships.

I can see Churchill rising from the grave and telling you off right now XD. But in all seriousness now, no they couldn't really stop all the dutch ships, but I doubt they would just let them leave port.
BTW If Netherlands trades with Germany they could also trade with japan through dutch east indies, imagine all that sweet oil going to japan and they just attack USA/China/USSR.

 

[alkomon]

Right help Soviets build they industry it will work great for them when you invade them
for you not so much.

It will work great for the Reich too.
And as you may know Germany and USSR were big trade partners before 1941.